Episode 205
Ep. 205- Gel or No Gel? The Science Behind Tadej’s ‘Secret Sauce’ Fuel + 70.3 Championship Discussion
We're diving headfirst into the world of triathlon as we gear up for the 70.3 World Championships in Nice! The big takeaway? Expect a shake-up in the women’s field with more solo athletes rather than the typical packs we’ve grown accustomed to. It’s gonna be a wild ride as Jeff Sankoff and guest Matthew Sharp break down the competition, highlighting some key names to watch, including the absence of defending champ Lucy Charles Barkley—talk about a plot twist! We’ll also chat about the course, which promises to be more challenging than Marbella, with its technical descents and all. And, of course, we'll sprinkle in some of our signature sarcasm and witty banter as we discuss the latest triathlon trends and gear, including the much-hyped Enervit C2.1 Pro Lactate Gel Mix—because who doesn’t want to fuel up like Tadej Pogačar, right? So grab your headphones and get ready to laugh and learn as we dive into this action-packed episode!
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Championship season is upon us, and boy, do we have a jam-packed episode for you! We're diving headfirst into the impending 70.3 World Championships in Nice, where our host, Jeff Sankoff, is more than just a casual observer; he's got skin in the game with his own triathlon aspirations. Joining him is the illustrious Matthew Sharp, a veteran triathlete who has graciously come out of his podcast retirement. Together, they unpack what makes this year's race particularly thrilling: the course's technical challenges, the fierce competition, and the absence of last year's women's champion, Lucy Charles Barkley, who has decided to focus solely on Kona. The duo discusses the likelihood of seeing a different dynamic in the race, especially with strong contenders like Taylor Knibb and Kat Matthews in the mix. Not to mention, the episode highlights the absurdity of training in a foreign country and the classic 'what to eat before the race' dilemma. Expect plenty of banter, sarcastic humor, and a few cheeky insights as they explore what’s at stake for both amateur and professional triathletes. Jeff also shares his plans to capture the event live, promising some entertaining behind-the-scenes content for listeners eager to experience the race vicariously.
Segments:
[8:28]- Medical Mailbag: Tadej's Gel
[35:11]- Interview: Matthew Sharp
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In the women's race, we'll definitely see more gaps between groups and maybe just more like just single athletes instead of these, these big packs that we're kind of used to.
Speaker A:Because I think in Marbella last year, Jeff, I believe I thought it was going to break up more, but it seemed like there was kind of there's bigger groups and like you were alluding to the course itself at Marbella, not as technical, just more straight roads on the descent especially, whereas this is a little more intriguing on the descents.
Speaker B:Hello and welcome once again to the Tridoc Podcast.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:Coming to you as always from beautiful sunny Denver, Colorado.
Speaker B:It is championship season once again in the triathlon world.
Speaker B:We are just about to get to the 70.3 worlds and a few short weeks after that we will be watching the Ironman World Championships in Kona.
Speaker B:And for that reason I have been able to coax out of retirement my guest on the program today, the voice.
Speaker C:You heard at the top of the.
Speaker B:Program, that of Matthew Sharp, former professional triathlete, former co host of mine on my sister podcast Tempo Talks.
Speaker B:That is unfortunately in a little bit of a repose, a semi retirement.
Speaker B:At this point, Matt has stepped aside from triathlon.
Speaker B:He's been very busy at work as a financial analyst in Arizona, but I was able to get him back onto the podcast platform so that we could discuss a race Preview for the 70.3 World Championships coming up in Nice fr just one week from this coming weekend.
Speaker B:And that is a race that I will be at as well, something that I am very much looking forward to.
Speaker B:I will be on the ground in Nice with my phone camera and my microphone and hopefully providing you with some social media content.
Speaker B:I hope to run into my buddy Joe, who I know is going to be there as well as many other folks that I can hopefully get some interesting tidbits of sound bites and clips for you and put them up on my Instagram and come back with lots of stories to tell.
Speaker B:It is sure to be an incredible event.
Speaker B:As always, World Championships are always just an amazing event to be a part of.
Speaker B: ourse, one that I did back in: Speaker B:I'm also looking forward to seeing a very large group of life sport athletes who have qualified, including my very own Megan, who is taking on her first ever World Championships.
Speaker B:Looking forward to meeting up with those life sport athletes in Nice a couple days before the event.
Speaker B:Are you going to be there?
Speaker B:If you are, I definitely hope that.
Speaker C:You will reach out.
Speaker B:Let me know that you're going to be there.
Speaker C:Certainly when you're on the ground, if.
Speaker B:You are in and around the Ironman Village, please do let me know.
Speaker B:I would love to meet up with listeners about your experience in triathlon, hear about what you like and things that you'd like to see improved on the program.
Speaker B:Look for me, I will be out and about wearing either Tridock podcast wear or Lifesport wear.
Speaker B:So either way, if you see me, please do say hello.
Speaker B:Let me know where you're from and how your training's been going and what you're looking forward to for the race.
Speaker B:Now on the program today, I have, as always, a medical mailbag segment.
Speaker B:I'll be joined by my friend and colleague, coach Juliette Hockman, who is not going to be winning this world championship.
Speaker B:She's won quite quite a few world championships, in fact, a couple already this year.
Speaker B:But for the 70.3, she will not be participating in Nice.
Speaker B:But she does join me on this program to discuss a product that debuted on the Tour de France.
Speaker B:So it does have a French connection after all.
Speaker B:And I'm wearing my Tour de France T shirt.
Speaker B:Why not?
Speaker B:Enervit is the maker of a product that they debuted on the Tour de France specifically for the UAE team Emirates.
Speaker B:And it's superstar Tade Pugacha who went on to win yet another yellow jersey at the Tour de France, powered, he.
Speaker C:Would have you believe, by their new.
Speaker B:Product called C2.1 Pro Lactate Gel Mix.
Speaker B:It's quite a mouthful.
Speaker B:This is a product that Tade debuted on the Tour and has gotten a lot of fanfare.
Speaker B:It's being advertised in a blitz to endurance athletes of all types.
Speaker B:With of course the hype being, hey, if Taade uses it, you have to be using it because why?
Speaker B:Why would you leave Tatte Pugacci as fuel on the sidelines when you have the opportunity to use it?
Speaker B:The reality, though, however, is are you really going to benefit from using this very expensive gel?
Speaker B:There is a carbohydrate mix in it that does have some science behind it, but it also includes this lactate gel and that really is what they consider to be the secret sauce.
Speaker B:So what does the evidence say?
Speaker B:We're going to take a look at that, and that's going to be coming up on the Medical Mailbag very shortly.
Speaker B:Before we get to that, I want.
Speaker C:To return once again to the big.
Speaker B:Event that's taking place in Nice next weekend.
Speaker B:There is going to be sensational start line for both the men's and women's pro races, and it's going to be my last triathlon for a little while.
Speaker B:I have been enjoying this sport for over two decades, and it's time for me to take a step back.
Speaker B:Not because I have lost my enthusiasm for the sport, not because I've lost my desire to keep competing, but simply because I'm not able to train in the quantity and quality that I have come to expect over the last several.
Speaker C:Years and I'm not able to compete.
Speaker B:The way I like to.
Speaker B:It's become very evident over the course of this season and the two races that I competed at that I just don't enjoy competing when I can't push myself at the level that I know I'm capable of.
Speaker C:And so I've decided to take a.
Speaker B:Step back from triathlon.
Speaker B:I'm going to continue to train, continue to perform in bike races and maybe the occasional running race if I can get this persnickety ankle thing to recover once I'm not running regularly.
Speaker B:I'll continue to do all of the things that I do for this podcast as well and continue to be involved in the triathlon world, working with Ironman to give the webinars for the various races that I've been involved with and other things that I do, including writing for Triathlete Magazine and the likes.
Speaker C:But I think it's a reminder that.
Speaker B:It's okay to take a step back from something that we love in order to regain the enthusiasm and the energy that we once had.
Speaker C:Because especially when you've been doing it.
Speaker B:As long as I have more than 20 years, it is understandable that after a while you may find yourself in a period where the enthusiasm wanes.
Speaker B:And for me, I've just been so busy with work and my family life and everything else, I have gotten to a point where I just can't dedicate as much energy as I really want to something that I really love.
Speaker B:But I know that on the horizon, probably by this time next year, I'm going to have a lot more time.
Speaker B:And at that point I'm going to return to training with the same gusto and enthusiasm that I've always had in the past.
Speaker B:And at that point, I look forward to my motivation and my excitement for racing to return.
Speaker B: And so: Speaker B:I'm going to be back and I'm going to be looking forward to racing with you all once again.
Speaker B:But don't despair.
Speaker C:I'm not going anywhere.
Speaker B:The Tridock podcast will continue.
Speaker B:I will continue coaching, I will continue my involvement with the sport, and pretty.
Speaker C:Sure I'm going to be doing a.
Speaker B:Relay here and there.
Speaker B:If you're in the Denver Boulder area and you're looking for a cyclist for the boulder 70.3, I would be very interested in participating in a team for that event.
Speaker B:So keep me in mind and reach out if that's something that you're interested in.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker C:With all of that said, let's move.
Speaker B:On to the medical mailbag and talk about EnerVit's new product, the C2.1 Pro Lactate Gel Mix.
Speaker B:I can't even say the product.
Speaker B:We're going to talk about it and.
Speaker C:Let you know what the evidence says.
Speaker B:And whether or not you too can benefit from Tate's fuel of choice.
Speaker B:And if it's going to give you legs like Tate, I think it probably won't, but it's worth talking about.
Speaker B:Let's get into it.
Speaker B:It's coming up right after.
Speaker C:It is time again for the medical mailbag.
Speaker C:This being the final medical mailbag before I head off to France this evening.
Speaker C:I'm on my way to visit some friends in Toulouse and then off to Nice, but I will not be joined for the first time.
Speaker C:Not the first time.
Speaker C:I guess you weren't in Marbella either, but alas, yeah, my, my friend group, including you, Juliet, will not be with me for 70.3 worlds.
Speaker C:Juliet Hockman is with me.
Speaker C:That means it's the medical mailbag, of course.
Speaker C:How are you today, Juliet?
Speaker D:I am great.
Speaker D:I'm excited to see you and all of the other Life Sport athletes, 16 strong competing in Nice.
Speaker D:I have four athletes there and I've been talking to them, doing their pre race meeting, talking to them about the course 4.
Speaker D:They're very different athletes and so it's really exciting.
Speaker D:I have a little bit of FOMO.
Speaker C:For sure and I have one of my athletes, Megan is gonna be there and it's her first world and she lives in Virginia where she, she does have some hills that she's to train on, but definitely she has been working hard to get her climbing legs ready.
Speaker C:It's, it's going to be, it's going to be a lot of fun.
Speaker C:Beautiful.
Speaker C:Course.
Speaker C: I've done it before in: Speaker C:I love going to France.
Speaker B:It's awesome.
Speaker D:Yeah, I know.
Speaker D:I'm definitely stuck with the sort of pre race advice of now.
Speaker D:Look, it's a pre race 72 hours, 4.
Speaker D:Be really careful what you eat.
Speaker D:You're in a foreign country.
Speaker D:Eat normal food.
Speaker D:Mennonites.
Speaker D:Or just eat the croissant.
Speaker C:Yeah, it doesn't matter.
Speaker C:French paradox.
Speaker C:French paradox.
Speaker C:It's all good.
Speaker C:It's all good.
Speaker C:You have a busy September.
Speaker C:You've mentioned none of it is race related.
Speaker B:No, there is, there is.
Speaker D:We.
Speaker D:There's still 70.3 Washington still to come.
Speaker D:Oh, of course.
Speaker D:I will miss having you there this year.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker D:But yes, so that will be part.
Speaker D:But I also have a vacation to Sicily beforehand and a vacation to the east coast to see family afterwards, so just quite busy.
Speaker C:Ah, Sicily.
Speaker B:Beautiful.
Speaker D:I know, I know.
Speaker C:It's going to be amazing.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Yep.
Speaker D:It'll be fun.
Speaker B:Awesome.
Speaker D:I get back about 72 hours before 70.3 Washington, so we'll see how that goes.
Speaker C:It's going to be interesting.
Speaker D:It'll be worth it.
Speaker C:Speaking of Europe, we have the Vuelta Espana that's ongoing right now.
Speaker C:I don't know if you saw the coverage from last week.
Speaker C:There was a dramatic stage where they started off in beautiful weather and in the span of about 5 minutes, thunderstorm came in, hail.
Speaker C:They had to cancel the stage because the riders were just getting pelted with golf balls size hail.
Speaker C:Yeah, it was crazy anyways.
Speaker C:But featured in this year's Vuelta for the first time actually in quite a while is Tade Bogacho, who's going for his first win of that Grand Tour and he doesn't really have any competition to speak of.
Speaker C:No, but Tade was in, of course, the Tour de France, where he won yet again.
Speaker C:And that prompted a question that came across the Facebook page and it came across from several people.
Speaker C:So what's that question and what are we answering today on the medical mailbag?
Speaker D:Yeah, so a number of people were really curious about this new product that Tade was using and maybe his teammates were too.
Speaker D:But everybody's focused on Tade, of course, because he's so fast.
Speaker D:And it's made by this company, French company called Enervit, European company in any case.
Speaker D:And this Enervit product is called, wait for it, C2.1 Pro Lactate Gel Mix.
Speaker D:So now, of course, and he was guzzling the stuff.
Speaker D:And so now everybody's really curious, is this the secret sauce that we all need to be taking in to bike like Taney?
Speaker D:And you mentioned that this was a product that only that team was using during the Tour, but now it's publicly available to everybody.
Speaker C:That is correct.
Speaker C:So proprietary to UAE Emirates, the cycling team during the Tour de France, now more widely available.
Speaker C:And I will tell you for what price in a little bit.
Speaker B:Oh, boy.
Speaker C:But yeah, for now, it is now available.
Speaker C:And enerv.
Speaker C:When the 70.3 worlds was in Nice last time, Enervit was one of the title sponsors.
Speaker C:I would not be surprised if they're a title sponsor again.
Speaker C:And I would not be surprised to see this product being aggressively marketed at the race.
Speaker C:So we'll see.
Speaker C:I will report back.
Speaker C:But what is it and what are the claims behind it?
Speaker C:And do we need to be all hot and bothered about it as the next big thing?
Speaker C:As always, it probably doesn't matter what I say, because people who are going to be curious are going to try it anyways.
Speaker C:People who are going to dig into the science may or may not choose to listen to what I have to say.
Speaker C:So let's get down to it.
Speaker C:Cosette Rhodes was the intern who looked at the research on this.
Speaker C:And there's really two parts that we need to consider when we're looking at this product.
Speaker C:The first is the first half of the title.
Speaker C:So C2 to 1 gel.
Speaker C:So C2 to 1 refers to a specific makeup of the product's carbohydrates and what it is.
Speaker C:It's a mix of maltodextrin and fructose in a 2 to 1 ratio for every 60 milliliter serving.
Speaker C:So it's 40 grams of maltodextrin and fructose in a 2 to 1 ratio.
Speaker C:And basically that is leveraging some already known science we know within our gut that we absorb, liberated or.
Speaker C:Sorry, let me back up just a second.
Speaker C:Maltodextrin is itself a long chain polysaccharide.
Speaker C:And as it gets digested, it breaks down and liberates glucose molecules.
Speaker C:So when you have glucose molecules and fructose molecules, each of those gets absorbed into the gut via different transportation channels.
Speaker C:And you can enhance the amount of carbohydrates you absorb by making use of these different transport mechanisms.
Speaker C:So if you just took glucose, you would be limited to a certain amount.
Speaker C:If you just took fructose, you would be limited to a certain amount.
Speaker C:But if you take both, then you are able to absorb significantly more the question is, what should that ratio be?
Speaker C:So the arrival of enervit at 2 to 1 is based on a number of studies.
Speaker C: o back into the sort of early: Speaker C:And basically this looked at 10amateur triathletes, 6 men, 4 women, competing, 2 simulated Olympic distance triathlons and basically gave them food during the cycling portion only.
Speaker C:The participants consumed either 1.8 grams per minute of carbohydrate in the form of a 2 to 1 ratio of maltodextrin to fructose or a sugar free fruit flavored placebo.
Speaker C:So basically what they did was they gave them carbs or they gave them nothing.
Speaker C:And as I'm sure you won't be surprised to learn, the athletes who took carbohydrates did better.
Speaker C:They were able to run a 4% faster 10 kilometer run after cycling.
Speaker C:So taking carbohydrates, everybody, it's a good thing.
Speaker C:But this was proof of concept, at least for Enervit's formula.
Speaker C:This study did not actually look at enervet specifically, but it's the only study we could find that looked specifically at a 2 to 1 ratio of maltodextrin to fructose.
Speaker C:And again, this was not comparing two to one to any other ratio, but it was two to one to nothing.
Speaker C:And if you're doing nothing, you're not going to do well.
Speaker C: Here's another study from: Speaker C:Multiple transportable carbohydrate effect on long distance triathlon performance.
Speaker C:And here we had 74 well trained male triathletes competing in two half Ironman distances.
Speaker C:Participants consumed either a 2 to 1 maltodextrin to fructose formulation or an isocaloric maltodextrin only formulation.
Speaker C:So this is this example of a combined carbohydrate versus just a single carbohydrate.
Speaker C:And again we see that when they could do multiple transportable carbohydrates, then they did better because they were able to take in more carbohydrates, more fuel, better performance.
Speaker C:So not too surprising.
Speaker C:2024 A study of effects of maltodextrin fructose supplementation on inflammatory biomarkers and lipodemic lipodomic.
Speaker C:Sorry.
Speaker C:Profile following endurance raising.
Speaker C:So this was an interesting study.
Speaker C:This suggests that having balanced Carbohydrate like this actually seems to change the inflammatory stress in the gut.
Speaker C:So this is one of these kind of metabolic studies, but not really a performance study.
Speaker C:They didn't really show any changes in performance, but they seem to suggest that if you take this 2 to 1 ratio of carbohydrates, you get different inflammatory and stress responses, lower cytokines, more rapid cortisol recovery, some differences in white cells, but again, no significant difference whatsoever in a 15 kilometer running performance.
Speaker C:No GI symptom difference, nothing.
Speaker C:The really interesting part of this is that this was comparing 2 to 1 carbohydrates to a non caloric placebo.
Speaker C:So that means now 15km in pretty good runners, it's probably only about an hour.
Speaker C:So it's under 10 miles.
Speaker C:You could imagine maybe within an hour you don't necessarily need to take extra calories.
Speaker C:But still I'm a little bit surprised that the people taking the calories didn't do at least a little bit better.
Speaker C:But yeah, anyways, anyways in this study really just to show this difference in the inflammatory effect of these carbohydrates.
Speaker C:So interesting.
Speaker C:Then another study, oxidation of combined ingestion of maltodextrins and fructose during exercise.
Speaker C: This from: Speaker C:And this is from our friend Jukendrup.
Speaker C:He's a very popular Dutch physiologist.
Speaker C:He publishes a lot of stuff on social media.
Speaker C:This was a randomized crossover physiology study.
Speaker C:Eight trained cyclists, 150 minutes of cycling while consuming a variety of different mixtures.
Speaker C:Maltodextrin alone, maltodextrin, fructose in a two to one ratio or water.
Speaker C:And this basically is what established this idea of the 2 to 1 ratio.
Speaker C:It seemed that people who did the 2 to 1 ratio did better than the people who did nothing.
Speaker C:And the people who did just amaltodextrin alone.
Speaker C:Again, just this idea that they could absorb more carbohydrates more and seem to do better.
Speaker C:But through all of the studies, and there are several more here, I'm not going to go through all of them, but basically through all of these studies, there was never one that showed specifically that taking in a 2 to 1 ratio improved your performance over anything else, which I find interesting because we know that higher amounts of carbohydrate definitely improve performance.
Speaker C:I think the thing is that none of these studies actually regulated the amount of carbohydrate.
Speaker C:So what I would like to see is, okay, 2 to 1 carbohydrate mix at 90 grams per hour.
Speaker C:2 To 1 carbohydrate mix at 100 grams per hour, 2 to 1 at 120.
Speaker C:That really to me would be more interesting.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker C:But I think the science is good enough to say, look, mixed carbohydrates is probably the way to go.
Speaker C:You could absorb more, you could take in.
Speaker C:You could take in less volume, but take in more carbohydrates.
Speaker C:And it's just a way of leveraging two different channels to increase the amount of carbohydrates you're taking in.
Speaker C:And you should be able to perform better and take in a higher amount of carbohydrates.
Speaker C:So I think in with respect to that, the first half of the question of C. 2 to 1.
Speaker C:Sure.
Speaker C:Do you need to spend all this money to get this two to one formulation?
Speaker C:I don't know that the science really backs that up yet, because if you can get in 90 grams of carbohydrate in other kinds of formulations, then I'm not sure that taking it in this specific two to one formulation has been shown to be necessarily better.
Speaker C:Does that make sense?
Speaker D:It does.
Speaker D:I have three questions though, so when you want me to run in and.
Speaker C:Ask them, go ahead, bring it.
Speaker D:Okay, so first of all, I just double checked on this because I was pretty sure it was true and now I'm 100% sure it's true.
Speaker D:Enervet is not the first one to do this.
Speaker D:Q1.
Speaker D:They are not tailwind infinite precision hydration.
Speaker D:They all do two to one.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:So question one is, what would make Enervet better than any of these other formulations that already exist on the market, which are probably less expensive?
Speaker D:That's my first question.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker D:Second question is, I wanna make sure I understand, and perhaps our listeners understand the difference between maltodextrin to fructose versus glucose to fructose.
Speaker D:Because tailwind incident precision are all 2 to 1.
Speaker D:Glucose to fructose.
Speaker D:Is that the same thing as saying maltodextrin to fructose, which is what I think Infinite is claiming?
Speaker C:Pretty much the difference is that if you're giving glucose, you're giving it as a simple molecule, whereas if you're giving maltodextrin.
Speaker C:The theoretical benefit of maltodextrin is that it's a long chain and that you're gonna be breaking off these molecules.
Speaker C:So you get, instead of taking a swig and getting a spike, you take a swig and then your enzymes go to work liberating it more slowly over time.
Speaker C:So you tend to get a more sustained Release and your sugar tends to stay at a level that is more plateau y for a longer period of time.
Speaker C:So maltodextrin.
Speaker D:So it's like fast acting Adderall versus short acting or fast acting versus okay, got it.
Speaker C:That's always been the theory.
Speaker C:And maltodextrin is not a super long one.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:A maltodextrin is a sort of a medium chain so it tends to get broken down relatively quickly.
Speaker C:But it's still.
Speaker C:That's purported to be the benefits of it.
Speaker C:And then to answer your first question of what distinguishes the enervit product, it's the second half of this discussion which is the inclusion of the lactate based gel.
Speaker D:Ah, we're not there yet.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker C:Yeah, okay.
Speaker D:All right.
Speaker D:So the other question that you can work into your next part of your discussion is we've all heard for years that fructose in and of itself can often cause GI upset, particularly in women.
Speaker D:This is what I was told early on.
Speaker D:Yeah, I've known it to be true with some people.
Speaker D:It's difficult to prove because these races are so complicated and we run off and we.
Speaker D:There's so many multi variable factors, we're never really sure.
Speaker D:Does that one of the two to one have to be fructose or could it be another type of sugar that.
Speaker C:There's a specific channel to absorb fructose whereas other sugars, like the only basic sugars are glucose, fructose and sucrose.
Speaker C:Sucrose is two glucoses or it might be sucrose, might be a glucose and a fructose bound together.
Speaker D:But dextrose, I thought it was dextrose.
Speaker D:I thought it was dextrose.
Speaker C:I think dextrose is.
Speaker C:Dextrose I think is an isomer, an enantiomer of glucose.
Speaker C:We're going to have to look this up because I can't remember it all but I'm pretty sure dextrose is glucose.
Speaker C:Just it's the enantiomer of glucose.
Speaker C:So it's a, it's a mirror image chemically.
Speaker C:But anyways, the long and the short of it, there are only a finite number of these individual carbohydrate molecules and we have transporters for a couple of them.
Speaker C:Glucose and fructose, I believe a lot of the other ones actually get taken up through the glucose channel.
Speaker C:So you want to make use of these separate transport channels.
Speaker D:So really there's only two channels and fructose owns one.
Speaker D:Two roads and fructose owns one and everybody else owns the other one.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And there may be some that go in through the fructose one as well.
Speaker C:But I believe the fructose one is.
Speaker C:Now, there's going to be tons of nutritionists listening who are going to write.
Speaker C:I know they're going to be, please do.
Speaker B:I'm here for it.
Speaker C:So let me know where I'm wrong.
Speaker C:I will completely admit this.
Speaker C:I am not in my lane here, so that's okay.
Speaker C:But I do feel comfortable saying that we combine these two because they're cheap, they're readily available, and we know that they are absorbed through separate channels.
Speaker C:Now, fructose is responsible for more GI upset than glucose is, and that's why the fructose, I think, is in the smaller amounts.
Speaker C:I think also it has to do with the rate at which these channels operate.
Speaker C:I think the glucose channel absorbs more rapidly and can handle a higher capacity than the fructose one.
Speaker C:But we also know from looking at some of these studies, when the higher amounts of fructose were added, there were more GI side effects, likely related to the fact that the fructose wasn't absorbed as quickly.
Speaker C:It surrounded and actually causes more effects.
Speaker C:So that, I think, answers that question.
Speaker C:But excellent questions, Julia.
Speaker C:Thank you.
Speaker D:Thank you.
Speaker C:But the first question you asked was, what distinguishes the Enervit product from these other products?
Speaker C:And the answer is it's the second half of the title.
Speaker C:So the first half of the title is the C2 to 1 Pro.
Speaker C:That's the carbohydrate issue.
Speaker C:And the second part is this lactate gel.
Speaker C:So what Enervit has done is they've taken this carbohydrate mixture and they've combined it in a gel containing lactate.
Speaker C:Now, lactate, if you're been involved in athletics for any amount of time, lactate is that thing that causes the burn in your muscles.
Speaker D:That's the bad word.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:You've gone anaerobically.
Speaker C:Now, we have come to understand over the years that lactate, yes, it is a metabolic waste, shall we say, of anaerobic metabolism.
Speaker C:But lactate is also a fuel.
Speaker C:It's actually just taken through the same pathway as.
Speaker C:As glucose.
Speaker C:So it's acting almost like a shortcut for glucose and it goes through the pyruvate pathway and it allows for metabolic substrates.
Speaker C:So people have suggested maybe if we give people lactate on top of carbohydrates, then they can make use of lactate as a substrate and spare glycogen, spare carbohydrates, and even make use of these alternative metabolic pathways.
Speaker C:To provide more ATP, provide more energy and be able to just similar to what we saw with like glucose and fructose taking advantage of two absorptive lanes.
Speaker C:Maybe with lactate around, we could take advantage of two metabolic lanes and provide even more boost to overall cellular functions.
Speaker C:Sounds fantastic, but what does the evidence actually show?
Speaker C:Look, if you're tatty Pogacha, I think you could basically chew on an old leather shoe, bark whatever you want, and you're probably gonna do just fine.
Speaker C:If you're you and me, you could take whatever he's doing and we're probably not going to perform at the same level.
Speaker C:And lactate gel is, I think, one of those examples.
Speaker C:There is studies that show the theoretical physiology is sound.
Speaker C:It is physiologically plausible that if lactate can be given as a fuel, that it may have some important advantages.
Speaker C:Because it can be converted back to pyruvate oxidized in the mitochondria, it may have a role in acid base regulation within the cells.
Speaker C:So there's a lot of potential physiologically for lactate to be good, but the actual evidence hasn't been so great.
Speaker C: So in: Speaker C:That's a while ago.
Speaker C:It's 28 years ago.
Speaker C:More recently.
Speaker D:That's an old study.
Speaker C:That's an old study.
Speaker C: More recently, in: Speaker C:This was a study comparing lactate supplementation with sodium bicarb during a 40 kilometer cycling time trial.
Speaker C:This found no improvement in performance from lactate.
Speaker C:Interestingly, bicarbonate changed acid base variables substantially.
Speaker C:Didn't necessarily lead to a significant change in performance, but it did change some ph numbers, whereas lactate didn't have any impact whatsoever on acid base.
Speaker C:And neither of them really changed performance all that much.
Speaker C: In: Speaker C:They gave recreationally active subjects an oral lactate supplement 30 minutes before exercise.
Speaker C:It had no effect on VO2 peak ventilatory threshold or lactate threshold.
Speaker C:However, the subjects did produce about 4% more power during a 20 minute cycling time trial.
Speaker C:This is the signal that has led to everything that has followed.
Speaker C:Now, there were some big problems with this study.
Speaker C:Fifteen participants, none of them were endurance athletes of any kind of nature.
Speaker C:They were basically guys, and they were all guys, I think, who basically rode their bike to school.
Speaker C:And that's it.
Speaker C:And this, the individual responses were very variable.
Speaker C:They were all over the place.
Speaker C:This study was really a hypothesis generating result, not really a proof of ergogenic effect.
Speaker C:However, you can imagine what the marketers have done with this signal.
Speaker C:They've run with it anyways.
Speaker C: There was another study in: Speaker C:Sixteen endurance trained male cyclists received a substantially larger lactate dose, 120mg per kg before a of high intensity cycling efforts designed to simulate road race demands.
Speaker C:And lactate supplementation in this study did not improve performance in any measurable way.
Speaker C:So lactate I'm afraid has some really interesting physiologic kind of, you know, promise.
Speaker C:It does not seem to bear out in any way biochemically or certainly performance wise.
Speaker C:And I got a nice little table here.
Speaker C:Lactate is an important metabolic fuel.
Speaker C:There is strong evidence for that.
Speaker C:Exogenous lactate can alter metabolism and acid base physiology.
Speaker C:Kind of moderate evidence for that.
Speaker C:Lactate supplementation reliably improves endurance performance.
Speaker C:There's really no evidence for that and benefit in trained elite endurance athletes.
Speaker C:There's really no evidence for that.
Speaker C:When it comes to enervid.
Speaker C:What are we talking about?
Speaker C:We are talking about a gel that costs $4 per gel.
Speaker C:12 Gels are 45 bucks and 24 gels are 80 bucks.
Speaker C:The Morton, you get a slight discount.
Speaker C:That's a lot of money for gels.
Speaker E:Morton.
Speaker C:To me the deal with Morton gels is not so much that they promise any benefits.
Speaker C:The deal for me with Morton is that I find them easy to take.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker D:Yeah, they're not sweet and the consistency is great.
Speaker D:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:They just go right down the gullet.
Speaker C:But these enervit lactate gels, to me, listen, if you want try them, I would be more than interested in hearing what your experience is with them.
Speaker C:But I'm certainly not running out to try them.
Speaker C:If they give them to me on the course, I'll try it.
Speaker C:But I'm not expecting anything earth shattering from it.
Speaker D:And with respect to the whole two to one ratio, a number of products.
Speaker C:Do that or any.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker C:So it's not.
Speaker C:This product is.
Speaker C:And I want to be clear, I wasn't reviewing the 2 to 1 science just related to the NRVIB.
Speaker C:I think it's worth talking about just because like you said, we do see this in a lot of different products.
Speaker C:And I think it's worth just kind of going over it for that reason.
Speaker C:Reason I think the two to one thing absolutely 100 that is a good thing.
Speaker C:And if you are having any issues with getting the right carbs or amount of carbs in, you should look for products that offer this 2 to 1 ratio.
Speaker C:It's probably a good idea, but the addition of this lactate gel is.
Speaker C:It's pure marketing hype.
Speaker B:It's really.
Speaker C:There's nothing there for it, unfortunately.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker D:There you go.
Speaker C:And I do want to be clear also, like, Enervid isn't saying.
Speaker C:Enervid isn't saying, take this stuff and.
Speaker B:You'll be like, Tyler.
Speaker C:They're just saying this was developed with a person, some.
Speaker C:Some scientist, and it was developed for uae and now it's available to you.
Speaker C:And I do want to be clear that they are not making any kind of outrageous, outsized claims.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker C:But the hype around it, like, if you Google this stuff, you will find article after article about this is what Tade's using.
Speaker C:You could use it too.
Speaker C:And it's not from Enervit.
Speaker C:It's just all the hype coming out from other people who are.
Speaker C:Anytime Tade sneezes, people want to know what tissue he's using to blow his nose.
Speaker C:So, yeah, and listen.
Speaker D:And he deserves it.
Speaker C:He's an awesome dude.
Speaker C:But you know what?
Speaker C:Not only is he an amazing cyclist, I don't know if you saw it, but, like, there was a clip that came out of him.
Speaker C:And Wout.
Speaker C:Wout also a God, right?
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Him and Wout are clearly very nice people.
Speaker C:And Wout's family was at the Tour, and wout's got a little boy.
Speaker C:He looks like he's about 5.
Speaker C:And Wout turns to Taddy and he goes, hey, Taddy, do you think you have a bottle or something you could give to my son?
Speaker C:He's really a big fan.
Speaker C:And Toddy goes over and he takes off his sunglasses and he puts them on the kid's face, and the kid is like.
Speaker C:And Wout just turns to him, and he turns to him and he's.
Speaker C:Oh, my God, thank you so much.
Speaker C:I really appreciate it.
Speaker C:And Toddy's, of course.
Speaker C:For you, anything.
Speaker C:And I'm like, you know what?
Speaker C:These are just two dudes.
Speaker C:And just like, they just genuinely seem like nice people.
Speaker C:So it's so easy to get behind anything that he does because of his talent, because of the nature of who he is and how he is.
Speaker C:So I get it.
Speaker C:I totally get it.
Speaker D:No, 100%.
Speaker D:It will be interesting to see if UAE is still using this product in a year.
Speaker D:Right?
Speaker D:Because every year, new sponsorships come up and new ideas come up and we had exogenous ketones.
Speaker C:We had exogenous ketones not long ago.
Speaker C:Nobody hears about them anymore.
Speaker D:I know.
Speaker D:So it might just be that it's a good enough product.
Speaker D:It's not.
Speaker D:It might be a good enough product, but not a differentiating product.
Speaker D:And so let's just see if they're using them again in a year or if it's an X bright fancy color.
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Speaker C:All right, if you are any kind of listener or watcher of this podcast of this program, then today's guest is going to be a blast from the past.
Speaker C:Somebody you are, I know going to be excited to hear from.
Speaker C:My guest today was my co host for a period of time on our sister podcast, Tempo Talks and I am super excited that I've been able to coerce him out of his semi state of podcast retirement to join me here on the Tridoc podcast.
Speaker C:A guest today coming back to the stage, Matthew Sharp, former professional triathlete, former podcaster extraordinaire, my partner in crime, my friend now in Arizona, working like a dog and yet making time for all the listeners so that we can have a conversation to preview the 70.3 World Championship.
Speaker C:Matthew, welcome back to the podcasting world.
Speaker C:How are you my friend?
Speaker A:I'm great and that intro definitely makes me want to jump back into the chair for sure.
Speaker A:But Jeff, we know who really carried the podcast and it wasn't this guy over here.
Speaker A:Very excited to be chatting about 70.3 worlds with you today.
Speaker A:Yeah, I'm gonna be there.
Speaker A:We're both gonna be there.
Speaker A:We're gonna be boots on the ground, so looking forward to that and should be incredible racing on an incredible course we have had.
Speaker C:Since Tempo Talks has gone into its state of repose, I have been getting a lot, and I'm not even joking.
Speaker C:Like, I've had a lot of people reaching out going, when is it coming back?
Speaker C:Please bring it back.
Speaker C:People really enjoy.
Speaker C:It's very heartening that people enjoyed it as much as they did and they would love to have us back.
Speaker C:Matt, what do you think the odds are?
Speaker C:Are we gonna.
Speaker C:Are we gonna be able to bring this back at some point?
Speaker C:Are you gonna be able to find some balance in your life?
Speaker A:Right now, probably no balance, but I do want to a bring back the Tempo newsletter.
Speaker A:Different format for sure.
Speaker A:But then, yeah, of course, would love to jump back on the podcast.
Speaker A:But right now we're gonna enjoy our time here today because the next time,.
Speaker C:This is what we got.
Speaker A:This is what we got.
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker C:We could hope maybe 27.
Speaker C:We'll see.
Speaker C:We'll see.
Speaker A:Keep your fingers put it on the shelf for right now.
Speaker A:But yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker C:1:27 Listeners lobby, Matt.
Speaker C:And you never know, you might have some.
Speaker C:You might have some success.
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker C:For the time being, though, we have a very exciting race to talk about.
Speaker C:This program is coming out on Friday, September 4th.
Speaker C:That evening I will be headed to France.
Speaker C:Matt will be following the Tuesday, following Kirsten Casper, his wife, who qualified for Nice back at Indian well school last year.
Speaker C:La Quinta, right?
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker C:So she is already there training and she is going to be one of just a stellar women's field.
Speaker C:We also have an extraordinary men's field.
Speaker C:So let's get right to it.
Speaker C:I think if we're gonna talk about the women's field, we have to begin first and foremost with the news that just came out.
Speaker C:I think it was today.
Speaker C:I think I saw it and I sent it to you.
Speaker C:About who is not going to be there.
Speaker C:Really a surprise.
Speaker C:Although, I don't know.
Speaker C:I feel like this surprise seems to come up pretty regularly now.
Speaker C:And that will be the absence of Lucy Charles Barkley, defending women's champion at the 70.3 World Championship she won in Marbella last year.
Speaker C:She has won at least a couple times.
Speaker C:Aside from that, she has announced that she is going to concentrate on Kona instead.
Speaker C:She made this announcement like, oh, I promise I'm healthy, everything's fine.
Speaker C:I just don't Want to sacrifice anything of my preparation going to Kona.
Speaker C:I have a couple of questions for you, Matt.
Speaker C:I was a little bit surprised that she went to great lengths to talk about how healthy she is.
Speaker C:And the second thing is this.
Speaker C:I'm not sure this tracks for me 100%.
Speaker C:I see so many pros making the decision to race both.
Speaker C:We saw Christian Blumenfeld earlier this year do back to back like Ironman and 70.3 and many athletes do these races and this race isn't that close.
Speaker C:It's like what, five weeks apart?
Speaker C:It's not that.
Speaker C:So what do you think?
Speaker C:Do you think there's something else going on here or do you think this is a good decision?
Speaker A:I think there could be some, I don't want to say like psychological scarring from Kona.
Speaker A:Last year, Obviously she won 70.3 Worlds in Marbella.
Speaker A:That was after.
Speaker A:But I'm just thinking this year maybe she's just trying to dot every I and cross every T leading into Conan.
Speaker A:Maybe she sees going to nice taking that time away from her preparation.
Speaker A:Maybe she's doing a lot of heat work because we all know what happened last year.
Speaker A:I think for her, whatever her gut is telling her to do, she's gonna, she should do it.
Speaker A:But whether we like you alluded to if she's actually healthy or not is another question.
Speaker A:But really I do think it's a smart move in that because she's not really in for the pro series.
Speaker A:Am I right?
Speaker A:I feel like she hasn't been.
Speaker C:No, she hasn't been.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:So there's no incentive that way.
Speaker A:And really I feel like there are.
Speaker A:There is just an echelon of athletes where even the pro series itself isn't enough to like the prize money and whatnot isn't enough to.
Speaker A:To just have them chasing like that like she is post pro series.
Speaker A:She's her own entity and for her she knows if she wins another Kona like that is everything that is five pro series in terms of compensation, accolades, whatever.
Speaker A:Like career defining.
Speaker A:Like she would take another Kona over winning the Pro Series 10 times.
Speaker A:Like I could tell you that.
Speaker C:Do you think we look back after Kona if she wins and we say, oh, this was a good decision, but if she doesn't, if she doesn't win in Kona, do we look back and say maybe this wasn't the smartest decision or do we just say that it was still worth it?
Speaker A:That's interesting.
Speaker A:I've obviously stepped away from the sport a bit this year.
Speaker A:Being retired and Whatnot.
Speaker A:And the more I step away, the more I can kind of see, oh yeah, look, with Kona, like, it's just that next level, like, I, I just.
Speaker A:Even if she has a bad day in Kona, I really don't think she's going to regret not winning another 70.3 title.
Speaker A:Just, just the kind of athlete she is, the, the big goals she has.
Speaker A:I just really think that for her it's just, it's all Kona and she will have no regrets.
Speaker A:Even if she's has another heat trauma on the course or some other.
Speaker A:Maybe she's injured and the injury doesn't heal in time or she couldn't quite get to the right fitness.
Speaker A:She finishes fourth, fifth, sixth, whatever.
Speaker A:I don't think she's going to regret going that road for sure.
Speaker C:Interestingly, we have a course in Nice that is difficult, but somehow not as difficult as Marbella was.
Speaker C:Like, Marbella was even more challenging because Marbella had, you had the big, huge climb to start and then you had a big, huge climb in the back end, whereas Nice is really, all the climbing is done by about 45k and then it's just a long technical descent.
Speaker C:So it's still going to favor the strong cyclists for sure.
Speaker C:And we do have track record for a lot of these women who raced the Ironman the last time it was in Nice, so we do have something to base that on.
Speaker C:So we're not going to have the Lucy Charles, Barkley Taylor Knibb face off the way we did in Marbella, but we are going to see the likes of Kat Matthew and Laura Philipp, who both did phenomenally well when the Ironman was last in Nice.
Speaker C:Those two basically were at the front of that race.
Speaker C:Laura Philipp came from behind on the run and beat Kat Matthews for the championship.
Speaker C:We're going to see Solveglovseth, who has really distinguished herself as a strong cyclist, Marjolaine Pierre A, who also has done very well in her home country and on this course.
Speaker C:And then we have some other super cyclists like Paula Findlay, Julie Darin, we have.
Speaker C:Ellie Salthouse is going to be there.
Speaker C:Lizzie Raynor, Hannah Barry.
Speaker C:The names are just like, it's such a deep.
Speaker C:So how do you see this race evolving?
Speaker C:And who do you think is likely to challenge Taylor?
Speaker C:Because let's face it, without Lucy Charles there, Taylor has got to be the odds on favorite.
Speaker A:It's just very hard to see anyone coming off the bike with Taylor.
Speaker A:There's the one athlete who I'm kind of looking at.
Speaker A:Oh, maybe she could do something on the bike like this is Alana Siffert from Switzerland.
Speaker A:She won Roth, right?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:A bit of a surprise there, winning Roth.
Speaker A:She's an incredible cyclist.
Speaker A:She's got this crazy.
Speaker A:Jeff.
Speaker A:She's got this cadence.
Speaker A:It's wild.
Speaker A:Or the way she rides the bike.
Speaker A:She's bouncing around, pushing 70 rpm the whole time.
Speaker A:So maybe up the hills.
Speaker A:I don't know if that's the move, but incredibly strong bike runner.
Speaker A:A course like this.
Speaker A:She's Swiss.
Speaker A:Anybody who's Swiss ultimately will get an extra five placing Bump, bump.
Speaker A:Because that's all they do is climb hills like this.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:She's maybe one of the few folks who I could see coming off the bike with Taylor, but really I think Taylor's coming off the bike on her own, off the front.
Speaker A:Jeff.
Speaker A:The only thing I can think of with Nib maybe is the descent in Nice.
Speaker A:Do you know much about that descent?
Speaker A:Have you done?
Speaker C: Yeah, I did it in: Speaker C:It is technical.
Speaker C:It is tough when you get.
Speaker C:When you cross the summit of the Col de Vence, which is the long.
Speaker C:It's about a 10 kilometer climb.
Speaker C:It's 6.5 to 6.8%.
Speaker C:And then you get to the summit of that, there's a short little descent and then a quick little sort of climb and then that's it.
Speaker C:And then it's all down.
Speaker C:There is some very technical narrow roads, big drops, some of it.
Speaker C:I don't love the descent because I don't mind descending, but for me, I like good sight lines.
Speaker C:I like to see the road way up ahead.
Speaker C:I like to see the curves coming.
Speaker C:And there are many places on this descent that you just don't get that now.
Speaker C:Now these pros of I'm sure going to be out there riding this many times, whereas I might get to ride it once before the race.
Speaker C:So they're going to know it much better than I will.
Speaker C:And I'm sure they will be able to ride it much more efficiently and quickly than I will.
Speaker A:But could a technical descent like that maybe hurt an athlete like Nib, who used to more consistent American roads like maybe.
Speaker A:I know she lives in Boulder, but the descents in Boulder, I don't know.
Speaker A:A lot of them don't sound like that.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker A:And I've been on.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's what I was going to ask you.
Speaker C:I was going to ask you about that because I am not familiar with her riding a course like this.
Speaker C:Marbella last year was not technical.
Speaker C:This is much more technical.
Speaker A:And yeah, you could see her have a big gap at the top of the hill and then maybe have some folks clawed back.
Speaker C:Oh yeah.
Speaker A:Where she still comes into T2 first but maybe the gap is a minute and a half versus three minutes or something like that kind of gap.
Speaker C:With that kind of gap.
Speaker C:If you've got Kat Matthews, Laura, Phillip are close, those guys.
Speaker A:Julie Darin, Swiss, also a great cyclist.
Speaker C:Incredible runners.
Speaker C:These are incredible runners and they've got the potential to run down Taylor because Taylor's run is solid.
Speaker C:But a lot of these women do have the ability to run her down if push comes to shove, especially on a flat course where you see each other on the out and backs a couple of times.
Speaker A:Yeah, and there is Jeff, a large, I would say tranche of these women who are the top women who really, I would think similar to Lucy, like obviously they're racing nice, but they are pretty full gas.
Speaker A:Looking towards Kona, if they are chasing the pro series, that's going to be a huge point opportunity for them.
Speaker A:Obviously nice is more, but relatively Kona's going to get you all those points.
Speaker A:You got folks like Kat Matthews who's really wants to win.
Speaker A:Kona, she is like desperate to get that win on the Big Island.
Speaker A:So maybe they'll even be holding back on the descents a few percentage points because hey, I got an even bigger fish to fry in a month or whatever.
Speaker A:So that could be an interesting dynamic in itself.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's very possible.
Speaker C: And we saw what happened in: Speaker C: it happened in the Ironman in: Speaker C:On some corners.
Speaker C:I don't think any pros actually had problems, but we did see in the pro race, I think when the Ironman was there last, there were a couple of pros that had issues on of the corners.
Speaker C:None of them crashed or anything, but I remember seeing some pretty close calls, so.
Speaker C:And it was amongst the men.
Speaker C:I don't think it was amongst the women's.
Speaker A:The women are usually a little smarter about this stuff.
Speaker A:The men can be kind of reckless.
Speaker C:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker C:How does Kirsten feel about the.
Speaker C:The descending?
Speaker A:She's not a bad technical cyclist.
Speaker A:She's not bad at all.
Speaker A:So I think she'll.
Speaker A:Relative to other athletes, I think she'll actually gain time on them.
Speaker A:For her it's definitely all about how she goes up the hill because I think she definitely isn't like someone who loves the big climbs or like Thrives in those big climbing environments.
Speaker A:We'll see if she' very fit.
Speaker A:So it'll be exciting to see how she goes.
Speaker A:But one of those situations where I think maybe she could use some skills on the descent to try and claw back some time.
Speaker C:All right, so do you have a podium in mind?
Speaker A:I don't have a podium right this second, but there's we.
Speaker A:There's one athlete a little further down the list who we didn't mention, which is Iman Simmons.
Speaker A:Imagine Simmons.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker A:A controversial figure.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker C:You think.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:You think, what has she done?
Speaker C:What has she done this year?
Speaker A:I have to say podium T100 Vancouver.
Speaker A:I remember that.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:And then.
Speaker C:But on the 70.3 side of things, not sure.
Speaker A:I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker C:I haven't really seen her name all that much.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:But again, a Swiss athlete, a great all round athlete, really.
Speaker A:Not just bike run and someone who's clearly on a heater.
Speaker A:She's podium at the T100.
Speaker A:That's a competitive race.
Speaker A:So someone to certainly.
Speaker C:Deep field.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:An incredibly deep field.
Speaker C:It's an amazing.
Speaker C:These both the women and the men are.
Speaker C:We talked about this last year.
Speaker C:I remember when we were prepping for Marbella, we were saying we couldn't believe how deep these fields were.
Speaker C:We were like, wow, this is like the deepest.
Speaker C:I feel like it's an echo and it's amazing that it's not all the same names.
Speaker C:It's a lot of new people coming up and it's just incredible.
Speaker C:We haven't even talked about Solvik.
Speaker C:Do you think she's got a place here?
Speaker A:Yeah, I think she has a place on the podium.
Speaker A:But maybe again, an athlete who is really just dialed in for Kona and was putting all her eggs in the Kona basketball.
Speaker A:It.
Speaker A:I think I'm gonna for my podium here, I'm gonna go with Julie Darren.
Speaker A:I think this course really suits her.
Speaker A:I do think her time like she's European.
Speaker A:So her skills I think on the descents will be above average for sure.
Speaker A:She won't be losing time.
Speaker A:She might be gaining time on maybe a nib character who's ahead of her and just a great runner as well.
Speaker A:I've got her for the win for sure.
Speaker A:I think I've got nib second and I'm going to put SAG in third.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker C:So Cat not even in there.
Speaker A:Well, my picks, Jeff, we know my picks are.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:A two out of three at best.
Speaker A:Good day is a two out of three.
Speaker A:I curse one of them.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:Sorry, ladies.
Speaker A:Whoever I curse.
Speaker C:Laura.
Speaker C:Philip is.
Speaker C:Is an interesting name for me, but Laura really needs, I think, a longer run to.
Speaker C:To.
Speaker A:She needs a pack, I think.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker A:I see some certain athletes need a pack.
Speaker A:I needed a pack, certainly in.
Speaker A:In my days.
Speaker A:And I think she's one of those athletes.
Speaker A:There's, I think, the reason you don't see Patrick Lange and on this course and in this field.
Speaker A:Cause I think he knows it's not his style necessarily.
Speaker A:So she'll run well, she'll bike solidly, but I don't think she'll be on the podium.
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker C:I agree with your choices.
Speaker C:I think that I'd have a hard time not putting Kat in there, so.
Speaker C:But I don't know who I would bump off.
Speaker C:Geez, it's going to be amazing.
Speaker C:It's going to be so much fun to watch and.
Speaker C:Yeah, see, that's the problem.
Speaker C:It's like I have to watch the women's race, but I got to worry about my race the next day.
Speaker A:I'll be worried about the women's race, my vested interest in that race.
Speaker A:I'll be stressed and it won't be like a comfort at home, kicking off my shoes, watching the tv.
Speaker C:We will make sure to stake out a cafe close, of course, and we will share croissants and espressos and we'll have to record some content for the people.
Speaker A:Absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker A:We'll get together for sure.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:All right, let's turn to the men.
Speaker C:No doubt this could be a spectacular men's field.
Speaker C:We have just an amazing field.
Speaker C:Yella Gaines is back, the defending world championship at both Taupo and Marbella.
Speaker C:He will be up against his compadre who he ran, what, the last 5, 10k with last year.
Speaker C:Christian Bunasl will be there.
Speaker C:Caspar Stornes, defending world champion from Kona, will be there.
Speaker C:Martin Van Riel is going to be there.
Speaker C:Martin Van Riel, not to be counted out.
Speaker C:And Gustav Iden, his name continues to be bandied about.
Speaker C:Hasn't really returned to the kind of form he had before the death of his mother, which is really unfortunate.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker C:But he's always around.
Speaker C:His name, his name.
Speaker C:He was what, top.
Speaker C:Top three a couple years ago when Ironman was in Nice.
Speaker C:So definitely a guy who has proven his bonafides on this course.
Speaker A:He has good memories on this course, right?
Speaker A: He won in: Speaker C:I believe he did, yeah.
Speaker A:An athlete who has done well on a course, they're always going to be lifted a little bit, even if they're not in the best form.
Speaker A:There's just a psychological, I don't know, boost knowing that you've done well here before, you've done the thing.
Speaker A:So I expect him to maybe over perform on race day.
Speaker C:Yeah, we've got Trevor Foley, Jonas Schomberg, who has really had a phenomenal season.
Speaker C:Rico Bogan, just a super strong biker.
Speaker C:Sam Long will be there.
Speaker A:Actually, I don't know if he's going.
Speaker C:Oh, really?
Speaker A:Yeah, I think he said he's not.
Speaker A:He's all in on Kona.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:And Lionel's name has come up, but I don't think Lionel's going and he's not going to Kona either.
Speaker C:Jacob, Jake Birtwhistle and Jason West.
Speaker C:Jason west, who had a terrific race in like.
Speaker C:No, just recently, he raced in California.
Speaker A:Oh, they.
Speaker A:Yeah, that was a great race.
Speaker A:Like he won, right?
Speaker A:Like he won.
Speaker C:Yeah, he won and had just a phenomenal run.
Speaker C:So a lot of good names there, but really the top five or six.
Speaker A:Are Yella, former world champions.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:Gabriel Casper, Gustav Eden and Trevor Foley.
Speaker C:I think to me, those are the top six, I think.
Speaker C:But there's just so many names who could easily contend.
Speaker C:What are you.
Speaker C:How are you thinking this race shape?
Speaker A:In the women's race, we'll definitely see more gaps between groups and maybe just more like just single athletes instead of these.
Speaker A:These big packs that we're kind of used to.
Speaker A:Because I think in Marbella last year, Jeff stuff, I believe, I thought it was going to break up more, but it seemed like there was kind of.
Speaker A:There's bigger groups and like you were alluding to the course itself at Marbella.
Speaker A:Not as technical, just more straight roads on the descent especially.
Speaker A:Whereas this is a little more intriguing on the descent.
Speaker C:We have to watch Yella can get his helmet on this year.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's right.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:A little issue there last time and he crashed.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Didn't he crash out of T1?
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:So he's.
Speaker A:He knows how to turn it up for sure.
Speaker A:But if we think about how it played out last time in Nice.
Speaker A:Yeah, we had these.
Speaker A:These kind of this breakaway group of athletes.
Speaker A:However, this swim is shorter.
Speaker A:The field is just deeper.
Speaker A:So out of the water.
Speaker A:I don't think there's going to be any massive gaps.
Speaker A:It's more for athletes like a Trevor Foley.
Speaker A:When you've got folks, I think Vince is in the.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:The field.
Speaker A:Jamie Riddle, Van Reel Schomberg.
Speaker A:When you have those guys at the front.
Speaker A:Absolutely drilling it.
Speaker A:Mark Dubrick, as well from the US Is going to be there.
Speaker A:Then for Foley, it's a matter of, okay, how far back is he going to be out of the water?
Speaker A:And he seems to be trending a little bit better in the swim.
Speaker A:But in a world championship race where you've got this.
Speaker A:This caliber of athletes going to go toe to toe, that definitely puts pressure on someone like him.
Speaker A:So we'll be kind of watching for that, I think, out of the water.
Speaker A:And then the guys who are going to come out of the top group or whatever, like Van Real, Schomburg Riddle, Rico Bogan.
Speaker A:Can't forget about that guy.
Speaker A:He's a monster.
Speaker A:Like, I don't even know why I forgot about it.
Speaker A:Also, is Hayden Wilde gonna be there?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:His name, I haven't.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:I haven't seen his name on any of the.
Speaker C:I have to.
Speaker C:I would have to look at the.
Speaker A:Race lists because he's racing the Super League Super Tri race this weekend.
Speaker A:But I think if he is there also, then that's just a whole nother aspect to this because he'll race very aggressively.
Speaker A:He'll do some crazy stuff on the descent.
Speaker A:But yeah, you're gonna have this kind of select, I would say, front group out of the water who were just like, they're gonna be racing it like it's a sprint distance race for the first 40k or whatever on the bike.
Speaker A:Jeff, how does it.
Speaker A:How do you think the tactics in this race, really.
Speaker A:There's just the one hill, so you almost have to over bike just to get to the top in a good position so that maybe you can get a bit of recovery on the downhill so you can actually spin the legs a little bit and do that versus, I don't know, measuring your pace and not being with people.
Speaker A:I just think these guys are going to go absolutely bananas on this.
Speaker C:I think so too.
Speaker C:I think they're going to hammer that first half of the bike to try and separate from the runners.
Speaker A:They're gonna try and get rid of Yella.
Speaker A:They're gonna try and stay away from Blumenfeld, which I don't think he's gonna let that happen.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker C:Blooming felt will be up at the front.
Speaker A:Sicko mode out there.
Speaker A:Blumenfell, you're gonna see him on the camera.
Speaker A:He's gonna look like a wild man.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But even just those guys in the front, the Riddles, Van Reels, Bogan, Rico Bogan, he's an attack.
Speaker A:Like, oh, for sure he's an attacker.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And he'll Try.
Speaker A:That's his Schomburg as well.
Speaker A:A couple Germans.
Speaker B:That's crazy.
Speaker C:Hope is to put five, five to seven minutes on these guys off the bike.
Speaker C:But the likelihood of that happening I think is pretty low.
Speaker C:You know, you never know if they, if there are some strong cyclists here, maybe Jackson Laundry catches up to them.
Speaker A: ourse he crashed that year in: Speaker A:So I wouldn't rate him on the descent, not because I think he's a bad descender, but just, yeah, psychological, caring that, that again, if you're European, you probably have a bit of a structural advantage on this course.
Speaker A:Probably ridden more roads like this than the North Americans or even the Australians coming over.
Speaker A:So it will be crazy like the climb and then going up to the top of the climb, I think you're going to see athletes kind of similar to Nice, the Ironman edition where you had a pretty solid group kind of get to the top of the hill and then, then in the second half things kind of shake shook out a little bit where you're having people getting gapped and whether that is because some people went too hard on the climb or some people just aren't as good as at descending as others, I think you're going to see some, some breakups on that descent.
Speaker A:And I'm wondering like if like someone like a Rico Bogan, like that's going to be him at the front of that.
Speaker A:Like I'm sure he's a great descender, he's an incredible rider.
Speaker A:So I could see him being on the other side of when things break up.
Speaker A:Whereas yeah, Martin Van Real too, he's quite impressive on the downhills.
Speaker A:So a couple of guys like that maybe coming into T2 with a bit of a gap, maybe they're working together a little bit, pacing off each other, trying to get some kind of gap on the Stornez's and the Blumenfeld's of the world.
Speaker A:And also Yella.
Speaker A:I just, I wonder Jeff, like, where is Yella in all of this?
Speaker C:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker C:Last year I, I really counted him out and he surprised me with his ability to ride that in very challenging bike course.
Speaker C:I think that you can't count him out.
Speaker B:I think you.
Speaker C:I think he has shown himself to be a much stronger side.
Speaker A:He was injured this year, correct?
Speaker C:He did win a couple of races early on.
Speaker A:Yeah, I thought he had some kind of like decent injury.
Speaker A:This is me.
Speaker B:You know what?
Speaker C:He did have an injury and he missed.
Speaker C:No, and he did miss a race.
Speaker C:I do remember that.
Speaker C:You're right.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:He's obviously coming in as the two time champion, but, yeah, not coming in in the best form.
Speaker A:Not coming in with that same momentum.
Speaker A:I think he does know that if he doesn't have this best swim, he might be on the back foot starting the bike and he's a great cyclist, but if he's got already great cyclists up the road, he's going to have his work cut out for him.
Speaker A:And if he loses, you like, look how close he was with Blumenfeld last year.
Speaker A:If he loses, like meaningful time, it's over.
Speaker A:He's not winning again.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:They have to come in to T2 pretty close.
Speaker C:These top runners, the big bikers have to come in several minutes ahead if they have any chance.
Speaker C:Even though they're all strong runners, they're just not the same kind of runners.
Speaker C:They're just not that caliber.
Speaker C:It's amazing how fast these runners are.
Speaker C:The Christians and the Yellows and cast.
Speaker A:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker A:I'm looking down the start list too, and you've got guys like Morgan Pearson, who I've trained with him, I kind of know his game and he'll do well on the climb.
Speaker A:He'll be probably actually in the front group out of the water, but, yeah, I don't know how he's going to go, especially in the latter part of that climb.
Speaker A:And his descending will not be like a Rico Bogan, like a Jonas Schomberg.
Speaker A:I just, I know the guy and it's not.
Speaker A:He's not on that level.
Speaker A:So someone who maybe on a less treacherous course might just keep himself up there.
Speaker A:But yeah, I, I think someone like him, he's a great runner, but he may lose it on the bike, like, whereas maybe someone like his compatriot, Seth Rider, he's a great swimmer.
Speaker A:He is a very strong cyclist.
Speaker A:I think he could be in the same tier as some of these guys.
Speaker A:Maybe not a Bogan, but he could ride like a Gustav Eden, potentially.
Speaker A:And so maybe he comes off the bike because he's also a great.
Speaker A:He's a great descender because he lives in, in Girona.
Speaker A:So he's American, but he's got the Euro postal code or whatever.
Speaker C:Pedigree.
Speaker C:He's got the pedigree from living in.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:So I could see him having a bit of a breakout race just because of the dynamics of the race and the course profile and all that, and his skill set as well.
Speaker A:You also have a guy, another Swiss guy.
Speaker A:I'm all about the Swiss.
Speaker C:You're all about.
Speaker A:I'm noticing that, you know, my.
Speaker A:All my money's on the Swiss.
Speaker A:But yeah, this guy, Simon Westerman, he's a short course athlete.
Speaker A:He's an Olympian from Switzerland.
Speaker A:He is also.
Speaker A:I don't know if he's as good of a swimmer as like a Seth Rider, but a comparable cyclist.
Speaker A:And obviously, obviously he knows how to ride the bike if he's going down those descents.
Speaker A:So I could see him also having a breakout day.
Speaker A:Not podium, but certainly a top eight, which would be an opportunity for him, given this kind of course.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Is there anyone else on.
Speaker A:On the start that's you're looking at?
Speaker A:You think maybe they could do some things?
Speaker C:Ah, the dark horse for me is somebody like Jason west, who I don't think has the cycling chops to keep up with these guys, but.
Speaker C:But you never know.
Speaker C:He really dusted Sam and Lionel in Northern California, which was pretty interesting.
Speaker C:We haven't talked a lot about Martin Van Real.
Speaker C:He's definitely a name to keep in the back of your mind as somebody who could surprise.
Speaker C:We'll see.
Speaker A:Yeah, he's definitely an athlete who I feel like similar to the woman we talked about earlier.
Speaker A:I think he is all in for Kona.
Speaker A:I think he is.
Speaker C:Oh, you think so?
Speaker A:Yeah, he's pro series.
Speaker A:He's going for it because he's got the races or whatever, but I think.
Speaker A:Think he'll have one eye on Kona while he's doing this race.
Speaker A:So, yeah, I could see him getting on the podium and I could see him coming like 8th or 9th or whatever.
Speaker A:But I do think the focus for him is Kona, certainly.
Speaker A:All right, we could talk about Jeff, who's.
Speaker A:Who's not there.
Speaker C:My boy's not there because my boy is going just for Kona.
Speaker A:Yeah, he's a Kona man.
Speaker C:Yeah, he's Marquardt.
Speaker A:He's a Kona.
Speaker C:He's had a phenomenal year.
Speaker C:Again.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker C:The guy is just, you know what he is?
Speaker C:He's a men shit.
Speaker C:Do you know what a match is?
Speaker A:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker C:It's a Yiddish word.
Speaker C:Just for like a.
Speaker C:Just a good guy.
Speaker C:Yeah, good guy.
Speaker B:Tamara.
Speaker C:Oh, Sam's not there.
Speaker C:That's right.
Speaker C:But Sam usually.
Speaker C:He doesn't usually partake in the 70 point threes.
Speaker A:No, he doesn't.
Speaker A:He doesn't.
Speaker A:But he's someone who was in France.
Speaker A:He's a French guy.
Speaker A:This if he was going to do.
Speaker A:He won a Nice.
Speaker A: The full in in: Speaker A:So, yeah, it's, it would be good to have him on the start line.
Speaker A:But he's again, another, another Kona guy, Sam Long, we talked about.
Speaker A:I think he wants to focus on Kona, which is totally understandable.
Speaker A:But I also think he knows that, yeah, maybe these descents and the technical aspect of the course, probably not his style.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:Tamara told me that she was just going to go to Kona and I, she, I think the bike is just not her thing and she would not have a chance on a course like this.
Speaker C:I think she recognizes that.
Speaker C:So she is all in for Kona as well, so.
Speaker C:Which is too bad.
Speaker C:I love seeing her run down the field ahead of her.
Speaker A:She'll still run him down.
Speaker A:Yeah, there's no doubt about that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker C:Do you have a pick for the win on the men's side?
Speaker A:It's a great question.
Speaker A:I think I'm going to go with Blumenfelt.
Speaker A:I don't know why it's easy to pick him, obviously.
Speaker A:Although in this field, maybe less.
Speaker A:But I just think he's just, he's a guy who just wants to win just so badly.
Speaker A:And, and I think last year, that sprint, I think that.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, he's been thinking about that one.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:It's been eating at him for a year.
Speaker A:He's been staring at the wall.
Speaker A:He's riding the trainer, his long winter rides.
Speaker A:I think he's thinking about that, that, that sprint.
Speaker A:So I think he's going to do whatever it takes to try and take the win.
Speaker A:The only guy who I feel like can maybe get ahead of him is his countryman, his Storny.
Speaker C:You know, he's got great Stornez as well.
Speaker A:Great.
Speaker A:Nice memories.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:As a champion.
Speaker A:So I think I could see maybe like Blumenthal doing maybe having a worse swim than Stornez, maybe having to blow up another match earlier than Stornez.
Speaker A:And maybe Stornez, he just glides.
Speaker A:He kind of just glides into these good races.
Speaker A:He doesn't really do anything on the swim or bike to, to cause any fireworks, but he just.
Speaker A:Steady as she goes.
Speaker A:I think he's a watch.
Speaker A:Watch.
Speaker A:He's a watch guy on the run.
Speaker A:He's looking at his watch, his heart rate, he's dialed in there.
Speaker A:Stornez is certainly the guy to potentially beat him.
Speaker A:And I kind of want to pick a Rico Bogan.
Speaker A:I kind of want to see him maybe a solo or with a van reel, put a flyer out on that bike and just Go for it and get on the podium.
Speaker A:I think this course suits him and it'd be fun.
Speaker A:I'm here for the entertainment.
Speaker A:Schomburg, too.
Speaker A:Him or Schomburg Interchangeable guys.
Speaker A:That way.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:As long as this bike doesn't fall apart, he'll be good.
Speaker A:This is true.
Speaker A:This is true.
Speaker A:Canyon will pay them well if they're on the front of the race for a long time time.
Speaker C:All right, that's what we got for you today.
Speaker C:Matt, can't thank you enough for coming out of retirement and joining me here today.
Speaker C:Are we going to be able to coerce you to come back for a Kona preview as well?
Speaker A:Yeah, definitely.
Speaker A:I'll do some more homework next time.
Speaker A:I'll know what people's injuries are.
Speaker A:I'm just flying by the seat of my pants here.
Speaker C:You did a great job and we appreciate you.
Speaker C:Matthew Sharp is a former professional, recently retired.
Speaker C:He's now living the comfortable life out in Arizona where he is working, working very hard, but still finding time to stay in touch with triathlon.
Speaker C:His wife, Kirsten Kasper will be among the amazing women who are taking to the course in Nice, France next week.
Speaker C:This episode comes out on the fourth.
Speaker C:The race for by the women will be on the 12th, so you can tune in and follow Kirsten and the rest of the women and then the men the day after.
Speaker C:Matt, thanks so much for being here on the Tridog podcast today.
Speaker C:It was always wonderful catching up a little bit and chatting with you.
Speaker C:I appreciate your insight.
Speaker A:Yeah, thanks for having me, Jeff.
Speaker A:And we'll do it again soon.
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