Episode 207
Ep. 207- Weighted Vests: We Dug Into the Science + Kona Talk
In this episode:
Kristian Blumenfeldt is our pick to take Kona on the men’s side, with Laidlow and Gustav fighting for the rest of the podium — and yes, we spend far too much time arguing why that feels obvious while pretending it’s a balanced discussion. We also warn you that the reigning champ Kasper Stornes had the classic athlete move of riding in dangerous winds and is now out after a crash, which absolutely reshuffles the pre-race math (and the sympathy emojis). On the women’s side Taylor Knibb is the favorite — its her race to lose — but the real drama is whether she can shake last year’s Kona demons and manage the Energy Lab without melting down emotionally or thermoregulating like the rest of us. We nerd out on race mechanics too: will technical descents in Nice-type courses unfairly reward fearless cyclists, and does the new 20m drafting rule change the bike tactics enough to matter? We sketch likely podiums (Blumi, Gustav, Laidlow for the men; a cluster of Taylor, Lucy, Solveig and a deep field for the women) and flag a few wildcards to watch. Oh, and for the runners/wannabe-strength-junkies we run a medical mailbag on weighted vests — bottom line: 5% bodyweight maybe gives tiny power gains and slightly more calories burned, 10% messes with your mechanics, and none of it reliably makes you faster in real races, so use sparingly unless you like joint complaints. Segments:
[7:58]- Medical Mailbag: Weighted vests
[33:21]- Interview: Matt Sharpe
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Transcript
Let's talk podium.
Speaker A:All right, who do you have on the men?
Speaker A:Let's start with them.
Speaker B:The men.
Speaker B:I do think.
Speaker B:Here's how I think it's going to play out.
Speaker B:I think Laid Low is going to have a lead over Blumenfelt and like Gustav and that group, there's going to be.
Speaker B:And I think Lalo will have another person.
Speaker B:It might be like a Jamie Riddle.
Speaker B:It might be like maybe a Martin Van Reel, maybe the couple of those guys, maybe a few people.
Speaker B:So I think he's going to have people.
Speaker B:But I do think ultimately Christian will run him down.
Speaker B:It's just.
Speaker B:It is just so hard to bet against Blumi.
Speaker B:I just think everything is he's been doing for this Kona.
Speaker B:So I got Blumenfell for the win.
Speaker B:I think someone else from his group will get second and I think it's going to be Gustav.
Speaker B:I think we've got Gustav back on the Kona podium.
Speaker B:And then I think Laid Low's coming in for third.
Speaker B:I like his chances.
Speaker B:I like how he's really been focused on Kona this year.
Speaker B:He's been all in and sometimes you can do that and get in your own head and then like, just have things go sideways in your prep.
Speaker B:But he's a real professional.
Speaker B:He's obviously won worlds before, so that pressure is taken off him in a lot of ways always from now on.
Speaker B:But I do think, yeah, Laid Low will be on the round out the podium.
Speaker B:I think that's Blumenfeld, Gustav and Laid Low for the podium.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:I'm your host, Jeff Sankoff, the TriDoc, an emergency physician, a triathlete, triathlon coach, and a multiple Ironman finisher.
Speaker A:Coming to you as always from beautiful sunny Denver, Colorado.
Speaker A:It's that time of the year.
Speaker A:The leaves are changing, the weather's getting a little bit cooler, a lot cooler, depending on where you are.
Speaker A:And we are heading into the fall season.
Speaker A:That can only mean a couple of different things.
Speaker A:Number one, training is going to be winding down to an end for a lot of us as our race season is pretty much concluded.
Speaker A:And of course, it's championship season.
Speaker A:That means we have just recently seen the 70.3 World Championship in Nice, where I myself got to participate.
Speaker A:It was a spicy, spectacular day.
Speaker A:And coming up just around the corner, one week from when this episode publishes, we will see the world Championship in the Ironman distance on the big island of Hawaii in Kona.
Speaker A:Of course, the men and women back together competing for the big one, the Ironman World Championships.
Speaker A:And so today I am glad to bring back my guest for the program, that voice you heard at the very top of the show, that of my friend, the ex co host of a recently retired podcast, Tempo Talks, Matt Sharp.
Speaker A:Mat and I are going to preview the race both on the men and women side and we are going to chat about what we can look forward to, who are the people to watch, who are who we think are going to be the dark horses and how we envision the race will play out for both the men and the women.
Speaker A:This is going to be yet again another amazing day with just incredible fields on both sides and we have our choices for who we think are going to win.
Speaker A:Do we think we can see yet again another Christian Blumenfeld show or is there going to be someone who can challenge him?
Speaker A:It's rather unfortunate that the defending champion, Casper Storn, has crashed out of the race and is not going to be able to defend his title.
Speaker A:And on the women's side, will Taylor Knibb be able to overcome the demons that she faced on the Queen K last year?
Speaker A:Will Lucy Charles Barkley be able to hang on through the Energy Lab?
Speaker A:Or will Solveig Lotzig be able to defend her championship?
Speaker A:Or will there be someone else?
Speaker A:Kat Matthew, for example, Laura Philipp, a previous champion.
Speaker A:There are so many women.
Speaker A:Honestly, both of us felt that the women's field is potentially even deeper than the men.
Speaker A:So it's going to be a fascinating day to watch.
Speaker A:Coming up just eight short days from when this podcast comes out.
Speaker A:So we'll be interested to see how it all plays out.
Speaker A:I hope that you will be interested to hear our thoughts and of course, as always, we're interested in hearing what you think about what we have to say about it and as well what you think about who is likely to prevail on on the island next weekend.
Speaker A:So head over to the Tridoc podcast, private Facebook group and let us know before we get to that conversation.
Speaker A:Of course, we will have a medical mailbag segment where my friend and colleague Juliette Hockman will join me.
Speaker A:We will answer a listener question that is around the use of weighted vests for training.
Speaker A:Is there any use to it?
Speaker A:Is there any evidence that shows that running or walking with a weighted vest actually leads to improved caloric burning, improved power or endurance?
Speaker A:We will talk about about what the research has shown to date and whether or not this is something you should consider incorporating into your training.
Speaker A:Before we get to that, though, I do want to make a couple of requests.
Speaker A:The first of them is to please, as always, leave a rating and review and share the podcast with a friend.
Speaker A:The podcast has seen great growth over the last couple of years, but I'm sure there are still many triathletes out there who could benefit.
Speaker A:I have heard from so many listeners how much they appreciate the reviews, how much they appreciate the science that we talk about on a once every two week basis basis and I know that there are many others who can continue to benefit.
Speaker A:So if you enjoy the podcast, how about share it with someone who could also benefit from it and see if they like it as well.
Speaker A:And then the second thing I would ask is please send us in your questions.
Speaker A:We have exhausted Believe it or not, we had a great amount of listener questions come in over the last several months.
Speaker A:We've actually gotten to the bottom of them.
Speaker A:We've answered every single one of them.
Speaker A:So if you have a question for the medical mailbag, be it related to something you take, something you use, something you we whether it is a training technique, maybe it's related to an injury you've had, how did it develop?
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Speaker A:What are the different things you can do?
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Speaker A:That email address, as always, is tridocloud.com and get those questions in and you are sure to hear them answered on an upcoming episode.
Speaker A:Now, before you ask a question, head over to the archive for the podcast, which is found at www.tridockpodcast.com where you actually can search to see what we've covered on the first 205 episodes.
Speaker A:A lot of times I get questions for things that we've actually already covered.
Speaker A:Sometimes it's worth revisiting because we covered it so long ago that the science has changed.
Speaker A:So it's worth updating.
Speaker A:But if you see that we've covered something that seems pretty definitive, there's no sense in us revisiting it again.
Speaker A:But I'm always happy to get questions.
Speaker A:It's easy for me to just tell you, hey, yeah, we've done this before, so I'd rather get the question and let you know we've done it than not get the question at all.
Speaker A:So head on over to the Facebook group, submit your questions.
Speaker A:I'd love to hear them.
Speaker A:And some new questions would be great because we will get them answered in the episodes to come.
Speaker A:And as always, if you don't have questions.
Speaker A:That's okay, too, because we will scour the interwebs, we will scour the advertising being sent out to triathletes, and we will find things that we can investigate on our own.
Speaker A:But it's always best to get questions from you guys.
Speaker A:So let us know and we will keep those questions coming.
Speaker A:All right, that's what I've got to ramble about before we get to our medical mailbag subject, which again is weighted vests.
Speaker A:So let's get to that right now.
Speaker A:What's the evidence say?
Speaker A:Is this something you should think about using in your training?
Speaker A:That's coming up right after this short break.
Speaker A:I was going to say that it's time for the medical mailbag, but the reality is may take us a while to get to that.
Speaker A:It's been a while.
Speaker A:We have some catching up to do.
Speaker A:Juliet Hockman, my friend, my colleague from LifeSport Coaching, and I, although we have had a couple of episodes that you've heard us speak, we haven't actually recorded anything in a little while.
Speaker A:So we're excited to reconnect.
Speaker A:It's been a minute.
Speaker C:We realized we were doing all this catching up off the air and then we suddenly realized we should just start recording.
Speaker A:Probably just do it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:For everybody.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker A:Let's see, the last time we spoke was before I went to France.
Speaker A:So we have a few things to talk about.
Speaker A:So France was amazing.
Speaker C:And when we say France, people winning.
Speaker A:70.3 World championships, just, oh, no, I mean France.
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker C:Well, while he was there, he did this little race as well.
Speaker A:The race was.
Speaker A:The race was fun.
Speaker A:The race was great and so much better than Marbella.
Speaker A:But honestly, I had a great time in France.
Speaker A:But I do, I want to ask you this because I've asked several people this question and I'm interested in getting other people's.
Speaker A:Later on after this segment, you'll hear Matt Sharp and I asked him the same question.
Speaker A:The course in Nice, such a great course, right.
Speaker A:Beautiful swim in the Mediterranean and then this incredibly challenging bike.
Speaker A:The run is very flat, very fast.
Speaker A:It was hot.
Speaker A:So that definitely impacted.
Speaker A:But what I found doing this bike course second time around, and certainly I saw this in the pros and I saw pros talking about this as well.
Speaker A:This bike course really favored those who had an ability to descend.
Speaker C:To descend.
Speaker A:And that to me is not necessarily a triathlon kind of thing.
Speaker A:So what do you think?
Speaker A:Do you think that's a fair way to determine, I don't know, that anybody won the race based on that.
Speaker A:But certainly if you were.
Speaker C:I think some people lost the race.
Speaker A:I think people lost the race.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:I think there were very capable triathletes who were not able to descend as aggressively as technically.
Speaker A:Well, do you think that's a fair way to determine a world champion in triathlon?
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:Yes, because 70Fort 43Worlds changes its location every year.
Speaker C:And so in many ways, if we want to find out the best in our sport, one person is going to one person.
Speaker C:You will find a course with a lot of descending to be favorable to them.
Speaker C:Another might find a very hot one or a very cold one, or one with rolling heels, or one that's flat or one that's an ocean swim or one that's a domino.
Speaker C:There's so many different types of courses in our sport.
Speaker C:One of the things we often talk about with Kona is it just talks about one type of athlete.
Speaker C:It's the same athlete, one that can suffer that heat.
Speaker C:Well, right.
Speaker C:Does that mean that's the best athlete in our sport at the long distance, or does that mean that's the best athlete in the heat in our sport?
Speaker C:And so I actually like that we have different courses.
Speaker C:St. George, very challenging course, but different.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Hilly, rolling, climb, the descent was not technical.
Speaker C:So all of these different courses.
Speaker C:I think Marbella, even though it was also very hilly, was different, I think, in the nature of its health.
Speaker C:So I think that it's great, because if we do get Taylor knit right, year after year, she proves herself on these different types of courses.
Speaker C:Maybe she really is the goat in the women's side in our sport right now because she is able to perform on so many different types of courses.
Speaker C:And so, yeah, I do.
Speaker C:I think that if it was at least every single year.
Speaker C:No, it wouldn't necessarily bring.
Speaker C:It wouldn't be as interesting.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:I think that's a great take.
Speaker A:I think that's probably the best take I've heard in response.
Speaker A:So thank you.
Speaker A:I think that's really great.
Speaker A:All right, so I was in France.
Speaker A:You were in Sicily, having an amazing time.
Speaker A:Tell us about that.
Speaker C:I went to Sicily with a group of business school friends, 20 business school friends.
Speaker C:My husband and I went to the same business school.
Speaker C:We had great friends from business school.
Speaker C:There were also some other people from our business school class on this trip who we didn't know as well.
Speaker C:We got to know very well.
Speaker C:And it was your classic bougie trip.
Speaker C:It was three days of biking, one day of kayaking and hiking, and then a last day of hiking.
Speaker C:But Mostly it was about the group of people, the food, the hotels.
Speaker C:This is not the type of trip my husband and I typically take.
Speaker C:We're usually like the self guided Airbnb self cater.
Speaker C:Oh, but this was so fun.
Speaker A:It was great, right?
Speaker C:It was really high end.
Speaker A:You can tell, you can tell, you can tell why there is a cachet to this kind of thing.
Speaker C:Yes, exactly.
Speaker C:I think if money were not an object, if we would do more like this.
Speaker C:But we really, we were, we had high hopes for really having a good time with this group and we, it was even better than we expected.
Speaker C:We made friends with people that we only knew a little bit in business school and we felt like we came away knowing them really well.
Speaker C:Yeah, it was just, it was really fun.
Speaker C:The timing of it was terrible because I got back about 12 hours before I had to get in the car and drive out to 70.3 Washington.
Speaker C:So I was pretty tired.
Speaker A:But driving on a red flag.
Speaker A:Now we.
Speaker A:As always, the program is not sponsored, but I happen to know the company you went with and it's a company I've heard a lot of great things about, so I think it's worthwhile dropping their name.
Speaker A:So who were you traveling with?
Speaker C:It was Backroads and it really was great.
Speaker C:Backroads, they're I think, the OG in the business in terms of adventure travel and they really are worth the hype.
Speaker C:The guides are incredible.
Speaker C:I think within Backroads you can get different levels of service in this team.
Speaker C:My business school and it was like the highest level of service, so it was.
Speaker C:Boy, I could get used to that.
Speaker A:I have never, ever heard someone come back from a Backroads trip and have anything but rave reviews.
Speaker A:So it's something that's definitely on my list of things that I want to do if I can somehow convince my wife to get on a bike.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker C:Yeah, but here's the thing which I'm telling you afterwards is of the 20 people in our group, only three were on performance bikes.
Speaker C:Me, my husband, and my husband's housemate from business school, a guy named Peter.
Speaker C:The three of us rode off by ourselves every day.
Speaker C:We had the roots in our.
Speaker C:They give you a wahoo.
Speaker C:We had the roots.
Speaker C:The guy who was the other 17 people, the vast majority of which were on of whom were on E bikes.
Speaker C:And we're just going along at six, seven miles an hour, looking at the countryside, having a grand old time.
Speaker C:So there you really can.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:We would reconvene for coffee and lunch and dinner, and that was fine.
Speaker C:Nobody Everyone was doing exactly what they wanted to do.
Speaker A:And that's the beauty of those trips.
Speaker A:They really.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And I think you and your wife could totally do it.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:To be continued.
Speaker A:Hopefully will happen at some point.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:So after coming back, you went off to Richland where it was the third.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Third version of this.
Speaker A:And how did it go?
Speaker A:Not just for you, but how did it go as the third iteration?
Speaker A:Was it another resounding success?
Speaker C:Yeah, you and I have a little bit of a mini love affair with Richland.
Speaker C:Cause you went the first two years with me and I gotta tell you, this year they stepped up even more.
Speaker C:All these little things like that.
Speaker C:They had these art contests with the kids and they put out these signs all the way along the course, the run course, cheering people on.
Speaker C:They had in the hotels, they had things that were really catering towards the athletes.
Speaker C:On the Friday night they had a band and all these food carts and this crashed fair come in for their Friday night little dua or what would that be a quafforn event that they did.
Speaker C:So they really.
Speaker C:It was even more.
Speaker C:And it was.
Speaker C:And now they've renewed for three more years.
Speaker C:So if you have not done 70.3 Washington, also known as 70.3 tri cities in eastern Washington, highly recommend.
Speaker C:Fantastic course.
Speaker C:Great for newbies, great for people looking for a PR because it's got that down river swim.
Speaker C:Yeah, it was a really super fun event and yeah, just can't recommend enough.
Speaker A:And then you personally, despite the jet lag, you had another great day.
Speaker C:Yeah, so I had a very busy weekend of commitments with Ironman and Lifesport and it was sort of 11 events between Thursday night and Saturday afternoon.
Speaker C:So I was shot out of a gun from that alone.
Speaker C:And I was two in the morning on Sunday morning I was up.
Speaker C:My alarm was supposed to go off at 3:45, but I was up at 2 in the morning ready to go because of jet lag.
Speaker C:And yeah, the race went great.
Speaker C:I won my age group and helps to behold for that age graded apparently I went 4 hours and 9 minutes.
Speaker C:Gotta love that age graded when you're old.
Speaker B:Yeah, but it was great.
Speaker C:And the whole life sport team, I think five people podiumed and four earned their world spot.
Speaker C:It was great.
Speaker C:So just good for the team too.
Speaker C:Yeah, super fun.
Speaker A:Well you were doing that and then I was heading up to Montreal where I got to attend the UCI World Championships, the road races.
Speaker A:I did not get in early enough to see the TT or the U23 or anything like that, but I did get to see the women and men race their road race.
Speaker A:And it was a blast.
Speaker A:My son and I are both big cycling fans and what an absolute thrill.
Speaker A:Montreal did a phenomenal job.
Speaker A:The way the race course was designed is there was about 140km they had to do as a loop off island.
Speaker A:Then they crossed over the Champlain Bridge and they came into the island and they did a circuit which was about.
Speaker A:I think it was 17km and they had to do that.
Speaker A:The women did it eight times, the men did it 12 times.
Speaker A:And so this circuit went.
Speaker A:It's a circuit that when I lived in Montreal, I used to ride all the time.
Speaker A:So I was very familiar with it.
Speaker A:And basically I was staying at my brother's place out on west island.
Speaker A:And I took rapid transit straight in, was able to get off the train, the Rapid Transit and basically came out right on the course.
Speaker A:So was able to catch them coming around and then could walk along the course to a hill where we saw them come up the hill and then walk to see them descend that.
Speaker A:Got onto the main mountain and saw them come through several times.
Speaker A:And then was able to walk to the finish to see Vollering and the pole.
Speaker A:I can never remember her name.
Speaker A:Cassia Dama.
Speaker A:I'm so sorry.
Speaker A:But anyways.
Speaker A:And the Italian Lamborghini come through together.
Speaker A:It was just so exciting.
Speaker A:And then the men's race, same thing.
Speaker A:Got there early and just got to see the crowd was electric.
Speaker B:Just.
Speaker A:I think there was well over 100,000 people along the way.
Speaker C:Oh my gosh.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was just amazing.
Speaker A:Very well behaved.
Speaker A:Everybody was so nice and having fun.
Speaker C:And if you ever say 10, how long did it take them to do a circuit?
Speaker C:For example?
Speaker A:It took about every 20 minutes we would see them.
Speaker A:And I think I said 17k.
Speaker A:I think it was actually 13k.
Speaker A:So it was a 13k course.
Speaker A:They would come through every 20 minutes and we would see them.
Speaker A:And we were standing at one point on Kamini Aoud, which was about a 7 to 8% grade.
Speaker A:And they would just go up it like it was nothing like they.
Speaker A:Especially when the breakaways were going.
Speaker A:Man, it was so impressive.
Speaker A:Men and women, they'd just fly up these things.
Speaker A:It was just incredible.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker A:And when racers would be swept up, when they would drop out, they would come riding along and just enjoy the crowd support.
Speaker A:High fiving for a whole lap and just soaking in the adulation.
Speaker A:And then they'd get off their bikes, they'd get changed and they'd actually walk through the crowd.
Speaker A:And you could recognize them and they would interact with you.
Speaker A:I got a picture with Maggie Coyles, one of the Canadian racers.
Speaker A:Yeah, Just incredible.
Speaker A:It was such a.
Speaker C:So is that how it works?
Speaker C:If somebody gets lapped, they have to drop off?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:There's a broom wagon that goes along, and if you're passed by the broom wagon, you're out.
Speaker A:Many of the riders drop out on their own just because they're there for task and their job is done.
Speaker A:And so, yeah, so, yeah.
Speaker A:What a long day.
Speaker A:273K for the men.
Speaker A:The women were somewhere around 200k.
Speaker A:It was a very long day.
Speaker A:So, yeah, incredible event.
Speaker A:If you ever get a chance to attend something like that, I highly recommend it.
Speaker A:It was just a blast.
Speaker A:So much fun.
Speaker C:Awesome.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I got to meet one of my old athletes who I know is an avid listener of the program.
Speaker A:Art Ruiz.
Speaker A:He came up from New York with his wife.
Speaker A:I got to meet his son.
Speaker A:Yeah, he.
Speaker A:We met up on Camille at Wood.
Speaker A:We had a brief chat, and we just both were enjoying it immensely.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:That's awesome.
Speaker A:That was awesome.
Speaker A:But all of that to say, I think we've brought our.
Speaker A:Everyone up to date with our recent goings on.
Speaker A:And now we have a medical mailbag topic, so we should get to that.
Speaker A:So, Juliet, what are we gonna be talking about today?
Speaker C:Just to go.
Speaker C:Just to show that things never go out of style, we are talking about weighted vests.
Speaker C:We had this question from a couple of listeners who wanted to know if weighted vests, in other words, using vests that had different amounts of weight that you could add and subtract, actually helped when creating strength and endurance for our sport.
Speaker C:And I assume they mean it for running or for walking.
Speaker C:Excuse me, but what did you find out?
Speaker C:What did you guys find out?
Speaker A:Yeah, so Cosette Rhodes was the intern that looked into this.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:I think the reason this kind of came up was because over the summer, there was a piece in the New York Times, I believe might have been the Washington Post, but it was one of the two papers that had a look at some of the science around this.
Speaker A:And so this got brought to our attention and we did a bit of a deeper dive into the actual evidence.
Speaker A:There is quite a bit of evidence on this, interestingly.
Speaker A:And when you walk with a weighted vest, or I'm probably gonna get this wrong, maybe it's if you're walking with a pack with weights, it's called rucking.
Speaker A:And then if you're running with a weighted vest, you're just running with A weighted vest, I think it's.
Speaker A:I think rucking refers.
Speaker A:And I know somebody commented in the Facebook group, so they will have to hold me accountable.
Speaker A:But my belief is that rucking refers specifically to walking with weights.
Speaker A:And I believe it's in a weighted backpack, but could be a vest as well.
Speaker A:But then running is not rucking.
Speaker A:Running is actually running with one of these weighted vests.
Speaker C:And the idea is.
Speaker C:So rucking is the simple and effective exercise of walking or marching while carrying a weighted backpack.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker A:Okay, that's.
Speaker A:Phew.
Speaker A:Okay, good.
Speaker A:So running with a weighted vest is different.
Speaker A:These are vests that are.
Speaker A:You buy them.
Speaker A:I don't know how much they cost.
Speaker A:I actually forgot to look into it.
Speaker A:But basically it's a vest that can hold pockets of weights that are usually, I believe, sand, sometimes lead, and they're tight, so they're not bouncing around as you run with them.
Speaker A:And the idea is that if you have to displace more weight, you're going to have to do more work.
Speaker A:You are going to.
Speaker A:You are going to build more power, more muscle power, and therefore should be able to improve your speed, should be able to improve your fitness, potentially increase the number of calories you're burning, and eventually, if you take the vest off, should feel lighter and be able to run so much faster and more efficiently.
Speaker A:The question is, is any of it true?
Speaker A:As you might imagine, probably.
Speaker C:I was just thinking about how much my knees hurt and my back hurts just thinking about doing this.
Speaker A:That's the thing.
Speaker A:So the first thing I thought when I heard this was, we're always telling people to lose weight because it's better for you in running.
Speaker C:When the whole lever, like the lever treadmill, where we're trying to take weight.
Speaker A:Off of that now, people are going to put weight on.
Speaker A:I'm just thinking, like, what's that going to do to their joints, their tendons and everything else?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:So the weighted vest, basically, they've looked at 5% body weight, 10% body weight.
Speaker A:So we're not talking about a huge amount of weight, but it's still not nothing and sounds like a lot.
Speaker A:Okay, I know, but basically what they've looked at, and the studies are not huge, but most of the studies have looked at what happens to your biomechanics when you're wearing these vests, and then what happens to your biomechanics when you take off the vests.
Speaker A:And basically what the studies have found, and honestly, I don't even feel the need to go through each of These studies, one by one, because they all say essentially exactly the same thing.
Speaker A:So essentially, if you put on a weighted vest, which is everything that you, I think, would expect to see increased ground contact time.
Speaker A:So if you weigh more than you would normally, then your feet are going to be in contact with the ground for longer because you have this more weight pushing down on you and therefore you're not going to be as springy.
Speaker A:So you're, you have more ground contact time, you have shorter step length, your flight time and step frequency tend not to be terribly altered.
Speaker A:So you still tend to stay in the air for quite as long, but you have to push off with more force.
Speaker A:There tends to be a lot, as you mentioned, Juliet, a lot of changes to the impacts and to leg stiffness.
Speaker A:So none of the studies we could find showed any long term effects on injury rates, which was interesting to me because to me that would be a no brainer that this would increase risk.
Speaker A:But we couldn't find any studies that actually marched out long enough, no pun intended, we couldn't find any that marched out long enough in terms of the time that they followed these people to see if it actually did result in that.
Speaker A:But between 5 and 10%, it seems that the 10% is generally better for getting more running power.
Speaker A:But 5% is probably more useful for training because when you start adding 10%, you start to impair and compromise your normal running mechanics and then potentially lead to more risk of injury.
Speaker A:So while you can build more running power with 10% body weight, 5% body weight is probably the safer way to do it and allows you to run with your normal body mechanics.
Speaker A:So then the question becomes, does it really matter what happens after you've been doing this?
Speaker A:When you take the stuff off, what happens?
Speaker A:So with sprinters, there seems to be some residual impact on sprinters where they still retain improved power, but their performance doesn't necessarily improve.
Speaker A:It's interesting.
Speaker A:Pitchers in baseball will throw a weighted ball to try and be able to throw the lighter ball harder.
Speaker A:And I don't know that anybody's ever studied it.
Speaker A:Like I think when you throw a heavier ball, you put your arm, your shoulder, everything's under.
Speaker B:More.
Speaker A:Yes, glam.
Speaker A:So the reality is when you throw the weighted ball, you can't throw it as hard.
Speaker A:So then when you take the lighter ball, you can throw it much harder.
Speaker A:So did you really gain anything by using a heavier ball that you couldn't throw with the same force?
Speaker A:Not clear.
Speaker A:I don't know that anybody's really studied it.
Speaker A:So that's the question I kind of came away with on the weighted vest.
Speaker A:So you're wearing a weighted vest, but you can't run with the same velocity, with the same leg speed, with the same bounciness that you do without the weighted vest.
Speaker C:Same cadence.
Speaker A:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker A:So then when you take off the weighted vest, should we be surprised that your performance doesn't really change?
Speaker A:Because it doesn't.
Speaker A:There's some evidence that some power numbers, some push off numbers, some muscle strength numbers might be slightly improved, but they do not translate under any circumstance in any of the studies we found to performance benefits, not to improved speed, not to improved endurance, not to improve pacing, not to improve time trial performance, nothing.
Speaker A:So the weighted vest seems to be very fatty.
Speaker A:Again with a dd, very fatty, but not necessarily based on any true performance benefits.
Speaker A:The other question was, if you run with one of these weighted vests, are you burning more calories?
Speaker A:And the answer is yes.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:So if you put a 5% increased weight vest on you, don't.
Speaker A:It doesn't translate to 5% more calorie burn.
Speaker A:The relationship between how much weight and how much calories you're gonna burn is complicated.
Speaker A:And it's not a simple one to one.
Speaker A:A lot of it has to do with the fact that when you put that 5% weight vest on, you're simply not able to run at the same pace, and therefore you can't exert yourself the same.
Speaker A:And so therefore you're not gonna be able to burn calories at the same rate.
Speaker A:And so you're gonna have some diminishing returns.
Speaker A:So it's not clear different people will react differently to the weighted vests in terms of how many extra calor burn they'll see.
Speaker A:But yes, you will get some extra calorie burn.
Speaker A:You just shouldn't expect to see significant increases.
Speaker A:There will be some.
Speaker A:Okay, so I think at the end of the day, I don't begrudge anybody who wants to use these.
Speaker A:I don't see any real reason to use them.
Speaker A:Especially as a triathlete who's interested in improving their biomechanics, who's interested in improving their endurance performance, who's interested in maintaining their body without injury.
Speaker A:This doesn't strike me as a great solution.
Speaker A:That being said, if people want to use it because either they like the idea or they feel like they're benefiting in some way, I haven't come across anything that suggests, like I said, nobody has done studies that look at injuries specifically.
Speaker A:So it's kind of hard for me to Say, don't do this.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker A:If you're gonna do this, just don't think it's giving you any significant benefits.
Speaker C:I wonder if it would if you used it for a very targeted workout, like short hill sprints.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then if you're doing like a hill trail run or something.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Where you really.
Speaker A:The cause trail runs are often used as a speed work substitute where you're really trying to get that power.
Speaker A:And now you take a 5% extra body weight.
Speaker A:Maybe that I.
Speaker A:Again, that has not been looked at specifically.
Speaker A:There are studies that look at physiologic responses in trail runners, but they're not on trails.
Speaker A:They're in a lab scenario.
Speaker A:So it's kind of hard to.
Speaker A:It's kind of hard to translate whether or not actually a real world situation would confer benefits.
Speaker A:It's one of these things where intuitively it seems like it should benefit.
Speaker A:The studies to date just don't show that there's much there.
Speaker A:And again, I just don't.
Speaker A:I don't think this is something that I would say don't do.
Speaker A:I just think this is something I would say if you're going to do, be careful, make sure it's only 5% body weight.
Speaker A:And also don't do it all the time.
Speaker A:Just be very selective about it.
Speaker A:And like you suggested, I think maybe targeted workouts would be the best way to do it.
Speaker A:And don't expect a whole lot.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:It's not something I would try.
Speaker C:I would just be so afraid of hurting myself.
Speaker C:But I could see how if you're looking for a different stimulus over the winter and it add a little bit of spice.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker C:Maybe you're running up your neighborhood stairs.
Speaker A:I would caution people not to do this on a treadmill.
Speaker A:And the reason for that is because I would worry that it would imbalance you by.
Speaker A:And then you're going down.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then it would lead potentially to a fall because of the moving mat.
Speaker A:And just this higher proportion of weight is in your upper body.
Speaker A:I just would worry about that.
Speaker A:I think this would be better served for outdoor running.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Just something to think about.
Speaker A:If you are out there listening to this and.
Speaker A:And you think that's way off base, like you've used this on your treadmill.
Speaker A:I'd love to hear.
Speaker A:Or if you have experience using these weighted vests and have.
Speaker A:I don't know, for whatever reason, you think that you've had miraculous results.
Speaker A:Again, I'd love to hear about it because like I said, I haven't seen anything that suggests there's any real negatives here.
Speaker A:I haven't seen much that suggests a huge positive, but if you personally have had some huge positives, I definitely want to hear about it.
Speaker A:So head over to the TRADOC Podcast Facebook group and leave a comment to let us know your own personal experience.
Speaker A:Also, this is as good a time as ever to say that we need your questions.
Speaker A:We're heading into the last couple of months of the year and we actually are out of questions now.
Speaker A:We have answered all the questions that have come to us over the past several months.
Speaker A:I am very excited to have another question for the next episode, but beyond that we will have to start making them up on our own if we don't get any more from you guys.
Speaker A:So please head on over to the Facebook page or you can email me@tridocloud.com I'd love to hear whatever questions you have about anything related to training, recovery or racing supplements.
Speaker A:It can be gear, whatever something you'd like us to look into.
Speaker A:We're happy to do that for you.
Speaker A:Juliet.
Speaker A:It's been another interesting medical mailbag.
Speaker A:I think it's time for both of us to get some sleep because we're both a little bit on east coast time.
Speaker A:We need to readjust to our mountain and west coast times.
Speaker A:So I will wish you a good night.
Speaker A:Thank you so much for joining me again and I'll look forward to chatting with you in two weeks time.
Speaker C:Thank you Jeff.
Speaker A:I am very excited to be welcoming back to the podcast yet again in short order after just having him here a couple of short weeks ago.
Speaker A:Matthew Sharp, former professional triathlete, former co host of the ever popular and much missed Tempo talks.
Speaker A:He was with me on the Promenade des Anglais in Nice where we were watching live the fabulous women racing, including his wife Kirsten Casper.
Speaker A:We are going to talk about a little bit of that, but he is here today for the big preview, the big Kahuna preview, which is of course the Ironman World Championships coming up in Kona one week from when you hear this podcast episode come out.
Speaker A:Matt, thanks so much for joining me for dusting off the retirement one more time for one more preview episode.
Speaker A:I really appreciate it.
Speaker A:How you doing?
Speaker B:Yeah, good.
Speaker B:I'm thinking back to yeah, we were hanging out watching the race.
Speaker B:That was good times.
Speaker A:It was great.
Speaker A:It was awesome.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was so great.
Speaker B:And we can talk about Nice for a hot second here, but I thought the race itself was great.
Speaker B:The organization Seemed really good.
Speaker B:Just nice as itself as a place to race.
Speaker B:I get it now.
Speaker B:It's awesome.
Speaker B:I think it's awesome.
Speaker B:So I'm a little sad that it's getting phased out, but it was great.
Speaker A:Infinitely better than Marbella.
Speaker A:Oh yeah, the organization.
Speaker A:The only sort of hiccup I ran into was the English race briefing was we couldn't get in.
Speaker A:It wasn't a big deal.
Speaker A:But I was at.
Speaker A:But not for you over there told me, wasn't I what I saw.
Speaker B:Are you francophone?
Speaker B:Don't you speak?
Speaker A:Well, yeah, I could, yeah, it's true.
Speaker A:But there was like any info that was in the briefing I was able to get and nothing was a surprise.
Speaker A:But that was it.
Speaker A:The race was so.
Speaker A:The organization was phenomenal.
Speaker A:The layout was great.
Speaker A:I didn't love the T2 was pretty far.
Speaker A:But you know what minor quibbles.
Speaker A:Given everything that happened last year with how compressed everything was and how difficult it was, this was phenomenal.
Speaker A:The bike horse was just as challenging as I recall.
Speaker A:I'm curious.
Speaker A:I saw some comments from Kirsten and I saw similar comments from a lot of the other women and some of the men as well.
Speaker A:I made this commentary when I came back from Nice and I'll be interested in your take from this.
Speaker A:The one problem with Nice as a professional and even for age groupers with a course for triathlon is it just seems like so much of the race is dependent on your ability to descend because the people who were really fearless descenders had good technical bike handling skills on that very, very technical descent really did well and it took away from I think what you would consider your traditional triathlon strength as a cyclist.
Speaker A:Do you think it over a course like that overemphasizes descending and is that necessarily the best way to sort out the competitors?
Speaker B:Yeah, it certainly is a unique challenge, I think from gotta be a lot of the athletes on the start line.
Speaker B:Not everybody lives in a place like Nice or places that have these kind of tricky technical descents.
Speaker B:So I think it.
Speaker B:Yeah, maybe I guess it under indexes in.
Speaker B:In that kind of physical.
Speaker B:Although getting up the hill you got to be pretty, pretty strong physiologically.
Speaker B:So it just.
Speaker B:It kind of rewards a certain skill set.
Speaker B:I guess most years it isn't in Nice so maybe it trends towards kind of a standard race as like someone watching the race.
Speaker B:I thought it was pretty cool, but I could imagine, yeah, if you're an athlete who doesn't have a lot of exposure to that stuff, it might be a little disheartening.
Speaker B:Or a little tougher just to show yourself on the day.
Speaker B:It definitely was challenging.
Speaker B:It looked brutal, I'll tell you that.
Speaker A:Look, I was really nervous going into it.
Speaker A:I pre rode the descent and felt a lot better about it after that.
Speaker A:But even on race day I felt like I was being reasonably aggressive.
Speaker A:But the guys behind me, 18 to 24, kudos to a lot of them who clearly had a lot of skill and a lot more fearlessness than I did, but some of them, a lot.
Speaker B:Less dependence in their life too, I think.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But some of them, I gotta tell you, not cool.
Speaker A:I had a guy come by me on a corner and cut me off and basically almost took my front wheel out and I'm moving pretty fast and he was moving even faster and, and I didn't think that was okay.
Speaker A:And you had a bunch of that kind of stuff with close passes in tight corners and, I don't know, that kind of thing.
Speaker A:I did see plenty of folks getting loaded up into ambulances too.
Speaker A:Oh, really misjudging corners.
Speaker B:I didn't know that.
Speaker A:Yeah, I don't think anything was serious.
Speaker A:It was probably collarbones and road rash and stuff.
Speaker A:But anyway, all I could say is positive.
Speaker A:I thought it was a great race.
Speaker A:It was very hot on the run, which I didn't love, but what are you gonna do?
Speaker A:That's the same for everybody in my age group.
Speaker A:And I had a great day.
Speaker A:I loved it.
Speaker A:I had a great time in France.
Speaker A:It was so nice to see you and Kirsten.
Speaker A:I'm so glad to see her do well and even more excited to see her do well in Ponte Verde this past week.
Speaker A:So why don't you tell everybody how that went at the Grand Final.
Speaker B:Yeah, I went to the 70.3 Worlds and I was able to be there with her.
Speaker B:She did solid.
Speaker B:I thought it was solid.
Speaker B:I don't think she was super stoked with the result and then I wasn't there at the Grand Final and she popped off a top six result.
Speaker B:So I don't know, maybe I just need to not go to her or something.
Speaker B:It was one of those days.
Speaker B:And Kirsten, like, she's out of a, I would say an up and down season in, in total, she's had a nice win in Boise, some kind of maybe forgettable results in short course and she was actually really dialed in for some short course racing this summer and she wasn't able to do it.
Speaker B:So I think she was really wanting a decent result as we all do when we line up.
Speaker B:But yeah, Some days when you're racing things, I think they just go your way.
Speaker B:I've had days like this on the course where somehow things happen around you and maybe it's a little advantageous to you versus things happen to you the other way.
Speaker B:There was a crash in her league group that took out a bunch of people who were great athletes.
Speaker B:Unfortunately for them and she, it was basically a war of attrition out there.
Speaker B:Every time this front pack that she was in would go up the hill, they may drop one or two people and it came down to I think group of eight of them with a decent gap on the next packs.
Speaker B:And she held strong on the run and held a good position.
Speaker B:A girl.
Speaker B:I don't know what happened.
Speaker B:She got DQ'd because she was like riding in transition or something.
Speaker B:So just kind of like stuff just happened outside of her control that yeah, maybe was in her favor.
Speaker B:And yeah, she raced, executed like perfectly on the day.
Speaker B:Definitely had some veteran experience going on there too.
Speaker B:So I'm super happy for her.
Speaker B:She loves the short course racing so she was really happy to get a nice result.
Speaker B:Yeah, top six at the World Championships grand final, whatever you want to call it these days.
Speaker A:As much as you have said that long course training has taken away from her top end speed in short course, do you think the long course training has helped her?
Speaker A:Especially on a tough course like we saw at the Grand Final going up.
Speaker B:This hill that they did in Pontevedra paled in comparison to Nice.
Speaker B:So I think when she was going up that hill, even though it was hard, she said that her time in Nice and racing in Nice definitely put things in perspective.
Speaker B:So she was ready to go psychologically up that hill for sure because there was some, a couple of girls, Georgia Taylor Brown especially was really hammering up the hill and making people heard.
Speaker B:And so yeah, I think the long course stuff for the durability, maybe later on in the 10k she was holding a little stronger because of all that extra time training or the different stimulus.
Speaker B:Physiologically she's going to do the opposite this weekend.
Speaker B:She's going to go to Rome and do a sprint race and maybe a mixed team relay.
Speaker B:So we'll have to see how that training translates to those distance of races.
Speaker A:Sounds like she's having a really tough end of summer.
Speaker B:Truly.
Speaker A:Truly.
Speaker A:Yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna transition into the Kona preview because that's really what we have you here for.
Speaker A:We are.
Speaker A:Let's start with the men.
Speaker A:We usually start with the women.
Speaker A:Let's start with the men.
Speaker A:The big story coming out of Hawaii just a few days ago, I texted you when I saw this is of course our reigning world champion, Casper Stornas.
Speaker A:Probably not the best decision in retrospect, going out for a ride with that big hurricane just about to make landfall off the coast of Hawaii and dealing with some pretty ferocious crosswinds.
Speaker A:He was caught up in that, had a crash, fractured his collarbone as well as some, I guess some stuff in his back and he's out.
Speaker A:He is not going to be racing.
Speaker A:Fortunately.
Speaker A:It doesn't look like anything serious or long term, but yeah, that just doesn't strike me as the best decision making.
Speaker A:Obviously, hindsight is 20 20, but yeah,.
Speaker B:This guy obviously is incredibly fit.
Speaker B:He wants to go defend that title.
Speaker B:Athletes, they love to be outside.
Speaker B:They love to be in their routine.
Speaker B:If a storm's coming, they want to still get the training in.
Speaker B:Gustav was there with him as well, from what I understand.
Speaker B:And he was able to narrowly avoid something happening to him potentially.
Speaker B:So, yeah, it's a bummer because he is obviously the reigning champ.
Speaker B:He brings a different element to the race.
Speaker B:I think he's a guy who's always near the front, just lurking just kind of there.
Speaker B:So to not have him obviously still a very deep field.
Speaker B:Even if he's not there, it's still going to be a great race.
Speaker B:But it's unfortunate not to have the guy who wants to defend and obviously I think he was in a pretty good spot.
Speaker B:Maybe Nice didn't go his way, but maybe he was a little more focused on Kona, who knows.
Speaker A:And we had a lot of men and women who in their post nice interviews were talking about how early on in the day in Nice where they saw that the race wasn't working out for them.
Speaker A:They just transitioned into, okay, this is a training day for me.
Speaker A:I'm focused on Kona and I thought that was really interesting.
Speaker A:So let's talk about the players in Kona.
Speaker A:We can't obviously starts and stops with Christian.
Speaker A:Christian, who had just a heroic run effort trying to run down Hayden Wilde and almost managed.
Speaker A:Holy smokes, what a run.
Speaker A:The guy comes in second now two years in a row at 70.3 with just these amazing efforts.
Speaker A:He's been robbed.
Speaker A:Well, robbed.
Speaker A:He's just been nipped now several times from the top step in Both Ironman and 70.3.
Speaker A:Is this now his year?
Speaker A:What do you think?
Speaker B:It's certainly trending that way.
Speaker B:Although the one guy who has beat him this year will also be on the start Line.
Speaker A:That's Sam, right?
Speaker A:Sam laid low.
Speaker B:Sam laid low.
Speaker B:Sam laid low.
Speaker B:And it's interesting because we rolled the tape back to last time they were there.
Speaker B:Was it 20, 24?
Speaker B:Was that.
Speaker A:Was it?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And yeah, they were in nice last year.
Speaker A:And yes, 24.
Speaker B:And that's when laid Low, he did his big kind of solo thing on the front.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:He was gone the whole day.
Speaker A:And blew up on the run.
Speaker B:And blew up on the run.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I think he's probably learned from that.
Speaker B:He's won before World champs, but it really is in my estimation a two horse race between those two.
Speaker B:Just the way he laid low, he came in and hit the challenge Roth and really, I know Blumenfell obviously wants to win Kona and I'm sure he's planned his season around it.
Speaker B:It's clear that Laid Low truly planned his season around it.
Speaker B:He wasn't messing around with the pro series at all.
Speaker B:He wasn't messing around with 70.3 worlds.
Speaker B:He went to Uzbekistan and did a race and wasn't amazing there.
Speaker B:But I really, I don't care about that race in terms of I think his preparation and everything.
Speaker B:So I really think.
Speaker B:And they are a little bit different in how they're going to kind of, I think, go about the race.
Speaker B:Really for me, it's certainly between those two.
Speaker B:What do you think about that?
Speaker A:There's still some other names, right?
Speaker A:Magnus Dytlov will be there now.
Speaker B:Where.
Speaker A:After last year.
Speaker A:Yeah, where he couldn't race because he was sick, I think the day before or something.
Speaker A:So Magnus and Sam have the capability of really changing the race out front.
Speaker A:And another guy.
Speaker B:Yeah, my guy.
Speaker B:If you got those two on top, then who's.
Speaker B:Who are the people underneath?
Speaker A:Well, my guy, Matthew.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Matthew is a very strong swimmer and cyclist.
Speaker A:Cannot discount that guy on the run either.
Speaker A:Now can he hang with Christian?
Speaker A:I don't think so, but I think realistically it's not unreasonable if the day goes his way to see Matthew in a top five position.
Speaker A:I don't, I think top.
Speaker B:You don't think he can push?
Speaker B:You don't think he can push for the podium?
Speaker A:I would love to see that, but I think a lot of things would have to go his way.
Speaker B:I think he's in the orbit.
Speaker A:I think he's in the orbit.
Speaker A:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker A:But things would have to break his way for sure.
Speaker A:And look, one of those things did with Casper not being in the mix.
Speaker A:Now that's an opening for Matthew.
Speaker A:So I think he's there.
Speaker A:I Think Sam.
Speaker A:You're right.
Speaker A:I think Sam and Magnus could easily set the pace off the bike, swim and bike and leave Christian and then our usual runners, right, Gustav.
Speaker A:Gustav, who had a Herculean effort as well in 70.3, where he was just chewing up the field after.
Speaker A:Not a great swim.
Speaker A:Just coming back on the bike and just making his way through the field and then doing the same on the run.
Speaker A:Having a great day.
Speaker A:We've got.
Speaker A:Patrick Long is going to be here,.
Speaker B:But do you think he's a podium orbit?
Speaker A:No, I don't even know if he's.
Speaker A:Yeah, we haven't really seen him race this year, at least to anything major.
Speaker A:So it's kind of hard to know what we're gonna get with him.
Speaker A:I would never count him out just because until he's really been beaten soundly, I don't think you can really know what you're getting.
Speaker A:Martin Van Riel's coming here, Daniel Bacagaard, and then we can't forget.
Speaker A:I'm always mixing him up with Caspar Stornis.
Speaker A:Cause their names are Schonberg.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:We got Schonberg there.
Speaker A:So there's a lot of names of guys who can definitely make this race interesting.
Speaker A:But I think when it gets to the run, it's going to be hard to imagine anybody but Christian.
Speaker A:Sam, maybe Ditlev, hopefully Matthew.
Speaker A:Hopefully.
Speaker A:Because I'm a homer for Matthew.
Speaker A:And maybe someone like Trevor, maybe.
Speaker A:I don't think Sam Long, I don't think is there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Why is that?
Speaker B:Because I feel like that too with Sam Long.
Speaker A:Because he's gonna come out of the water just too far back.
Speaker A:He's not gonna.
Speaker B:But Trevor Foley's also gonna come out of the water far back.
Speaker A:But Trevor's established.
Speaker A:So is Cam Wharf, even Cam Wurf.
Speaker A:But Cam's never really a factor in the run.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Trevor has established that he can come out way back on the swim, but consistently get himself in a position to run for a top position.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I feel like him and Sam are the same, are the same cut from the same clothes path.
Speaker B:They're both not great on the swim, obviously.
Speaker B:Stellar on the bike.
Speaker B:In the run.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:For some reason I have Trevor Foley as like a guy who can really do some damage out there in terms of like, finishing position.
Speaker B:Whereas for some reason, I don't know, my vibes are off with Sam Long.
Speaker B:And I don't know if it's because I'm down here in.
Speaker B:In the desert and like, he's Obviously down in Tucson it is just so hot here, Jeff.
Speaker B:Like basically since May it has been just diabolically hot.
Speaker B:And I don't know, I don't think I've seen anything race wise from Sam since it got hot down here that I'm like, oh, he's rocking and rolling.
Speaker B:People can check me if I'm wrong here.
Speaker B:But to me, and I see this with Lionel as well, like when the summer hits down here, you can do the indoor training and early training you want, but it's just too hot.
Speaker B:I think it's just too hot.
Speaker B:I don't think you recover properly.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So I don't know.
Speaker B:That's my conspiracy theory of Sam Long's race in Kona.
Speaker B:Not like I want him to do bad.
Speaker B:I just, I just don't know if you can train here in the desert and go and execute at the end of the year.
Speaker A:Well, and also it's different heat.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:It's dry heat.
Speaker B:Truly.
Speaker A:As opposed to the humidity that you're going to face when you get to Hawaii.
Speaker A:And that humidity is legitimate and it's not to be trifled with.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:So who else is on your radar for this race?
Speaker B:Who's going to make some noise?
Speaker A:I really think those are the main people.
Speaker A:Gustav has been, I think someone to watch.
Speaker A:He's definitely been a player.
Speaker A:I'm interested to see Martin Van Riel.
Speaker A:We thought we would see more out of Martin van Riel at 70.3 and surprised he didn't do a little bit better.
Speaker A:I'd be interested to see what he can do here.
Speaker A:Yella's not racing.
Speaker A:Is he yelling?
Speaker B:No, I think he abandoned the Kona plan.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:After he got injured and stuff.
Speaker A:He was thinking about it and then didn't do it.
Speaker A:No, I don't.
Speaker B:What about like a Nick Thompson character?
Speaker B:He's a great, great biker.
Speaker B:Really solid runner.
Speaker A:Yeah, solid.
Speaker A:But I don't know if he's in the same stratosphere.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I feel like his bike is very good though.
Speaker B:Like he's when nice that year didn't he bike up to the lead group?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And came off not long like away from these guys.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But as always it Kona comes down to the run.
Speaker A:You can, you could.
Speaker A:We've seen it so many times.
Speaker A:Look at the women too.
Speaker A:We'll talk about the women shortly.
Speaker A:But the women too often get off a huge lead off the bike and then it just whittles away once they start running.
Speaker B:And one thing I'm thinking of right now, last year in Kona, did the women have a 20 meter?
Speaker B:Was it 20 meters last year?
Speaker A:I believe so, yeah.
Speaker A:Oh no, the 20 meters is new this year.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Okay, so that's a whole new dynamic of this race that we've never seen before then.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker A:And especially with the men and women racing on the same day with age groupers potentially interfering, that's going to be an interesting.
Speaker A:I am not savvy with what they're doing to try and keep the pro women and the age group men separated.
Speaker A:I don't know what the plan is.
Speaker A:My understanding is I think they're trying to give a big enough gap to try and keep them separate, but I don't know if it's possible because some of those age group men are going to be very fast.
Speaker B:Do you think the bike then plays more of an outsize role with the 20 meters?
Speaker B:Like obviously the run, the heat, blah blah blah.
Speaker A:So important for the men or the women?
Speaker B:Let's talk about the men.
Speaker B:We're on the men right now.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:For the men I would say I think it's gonna play more of an outsized role this year.
Speaker A:Although when we've talked to individual pro men they have meant they have said eh, haven't really noticed that big of a difference.
Speaker A:So I don't know, kind of hard to say.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:But I think with the women it's not going to change anything because look what we saw last year, we saw three women so far off the front that there was absolutely nothing that was going to change their, you know, at 20 meters, 12, heck they had 50 meters, they had lots of room between them.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think for the men guys like a Patrick Lang, like that's the kind of death he's not really, I think in the form of his life anyways.
Speaker B:But that's kind of the death knell for a Patrick Lange, Matt Hansen type racer.
Speaker B:They're just not getting that same drafting benefit of the 12 meters as the 20 meters.
Speaker B:Maybe a little higher opportunity for guys like a, I guess a Sam Long, a Trevor Foley, Cam Wurf, maybe for them to do a little more damage on the bike, maybe lessen the damage to people out in front of them.
Speaker B:But maybe at the front of the race it doesn't matter as much.
Speaker A:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker A:It's hard to say but I do think it still comes down to being able to run in that heat and humidity.
Speaker B:How do you think it plays out then?
Speaker B:Let's say coming off the bike, what does the race look like coming off the bike?
Speaker A:I think we're going to be looking again at a couple of big cyclists having a lead of anywhere between 5 and 10 minutes.
Speaker A:And then it's going to be a question of can the runners run them down.
Speaker B:Do you think Laid Low is by himself or is he?
Speaker A:No, I think this time he doesn't get away quite as far.
Speaker A:I think this time he's got company.
Speaker A:And I think part of that is because people aren't going to be as eager to let him go.
Speaker A:But I think part of that also is he will have learned not to push as hard because he needs to listen.
Speaker A:He's a runner, right?
Speaker A:It's not like he's a slouch on the run.
Speaker A:So he needs to recognize that he needs to save.
Speaker A:Not just something for the run, but he can't overcook the bike.
Speaker A:Getting onto the run already with a high internal temperature, he needs to save.
Speaker B:He isn't Blumenfelt though.
Speaker B:So how much time does he need on Blumenfeld to win?
Speaker A:I'm not sure what their base marathon times are, but 10 minutes.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm going to say eight to 10 minutes.
Speaker B:Yeah, somewhere like that.
Speaker B:And I'm just like, okay, he'll come out of the water ahead of blumenfell probably by 90 seconds, maybe more.
Speaker B:Maybe more like a two minute type situation.
Speaker B:There's just a lot of good swimmers in this race.
Speaker B:So I think Laid Low will actually like, instead of going off the front of the swim, he'll have a Jamie Riddle, he'll have a Vincent Louis Schomburg to kind of work with.
Speaker B:So at least starting the bike, his core temperature will be probably lower then.
Speaker B:It depends what he does after that.
Speaker B:But also Blumenfelt, then in his group has faster swimmers.
Speaker B:So it's an interesting dynamic there.
Speaker B:And yeah, I think he's going to need at least eight to 10 minutes in that ballpark if he doesn't blow himself up on the bike.
Speaker B:If he can run to his potential.
Speaker B:I just, we've just seen what Blumenfeld's doing this year on the run and no one will run as fast as him.
Speaker A:No, I agree.
Speaker A:All right, let's switch over to the women because I think podium.
Speaker A:I'm going to come back to podium.
Speaker A:Let's switch over to the women.
Speaker A:And the women is going to be.
Speaker A:It's going to be basically all anybody's going to be talking about leading up to this race is whether or not Taylor can hold it together.
Speaker A:Because this is Taylor's race to lose.
Speaker A:I think everybody sees it that way.
Speaker A:Certainly after what she did in Nice, fully in control just from the get go pretty much.
Speaker A:And just absolutely dominated that bike and run and was never really threatened.
Speaker A:I think the question is not can she win here?
Speaker A:The question is can she conquer the demons?
Speaker A:Can she keep her.
Speaker A:Can she learn from last year and race a little bit smarter?
Speaker A:She doesn't need to destroy the field.
Speaker A:She just needs to win by a minute.
Speaker A:You don't need to win by 15 minutes or whatever it was that she was winning by.
Speaker A:If she gets off the bike.
Speaker A:She needs to get off the bike.
Speaker A:No question.
Speaker A:She needs to get off the bike by more than five minutes over a Laura, Phillip or even Lucy, let's face it.
Speaker A:But she doesn't need to have a 20 minute lead off the bike.
Speaker A:And maybe she has, maybe at the turnarounds she gets some info and she needs to chill a little bit and I don't know, what do you think?
Speaker B:You mentioned Lucy and in my mind I just see a running back of last year.
Speaker B:I don't know Lucy, to me, I maybe haven't been following her as much.
Speaker A:She hasn't done very much because she.
Speaker B:Hasn't done very much.
Speaker B:She's been quiet.
Speaker B:But she's had an opportunity to learn from last year.
Speaker B:I think like she's clearly all in for Kona 100.
Speaker B:Clearly.
Speaker B:I think she's in the Red Bull.
Speaker B:I think I saw something like she's in like the Red Bull Lab in LA right now or something.
Speaker B:They're probably doing some crazy testing, physiological testing, whatever.
Speaker B:So I think with the two of them, I just don't see how.
Speaker B:Unless Taylor really gives it just some juice or.
Speaker B:Yeah, like out of the swim.
Speaker B:Like they're probably going to be together really.
Speaker B:But other athletes, obviously those two are.
Speaker B:I think for me, yeah, it's hard to not pick those two, but we've got a lot of good other women in there.
Speaker B:Like who else other than those two?
Speaker B:Maybe for the win.
Speaker A:Who could win your pick for 70.3 worlds?
Speaker A:Julie Darin.
Speaker A:She's back.
Speaker A:She missed last year after an injury.
Speaker A:She was somebody that both of us were thinking as a potential top three threat.
Speaker A:And I think once again we have to think about her as a possible.
Speaker A:Of course, former world champion Laura Philipp.
Speaker A:Laura is never to be discounted as long as she comes off the bike within reach.
Speaker A:And of course our defending world champion, Solvig.
Speaker A:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker A:We can't.
Speaker A:But we have dark horses too, right?
Speaker A:We've got Paul Finley.
Speaker A:Cat Matthews is not a dark horse.
Speaker A:Kat Matthews.
Speaker A:This is A very deep field.
Speaker B:I think about this time last year with Kona, we all saw what Cat Matthews did on that run and in the race in general.
Speaker B:It is kind of crazy to be coming back this year and saying she's a dark horse.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Just because of how close.
Speaker A:Probably.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:What, 40 seconds.
Speaker B:40 Seconds she was away from the win in Kona, but she kind of.
Speaker B:It's a dark horse because she hasn't been as dominant, I think, as.
Speaker B:As she was last year.
Speaker B:She's had some injury stuff this year.
Speaker B:You could see that in knee.
Speaker B:She's not coming into this race with a ton of psychological momentum, which I think is important.
Speaker B:It's not everything, but I think you want to be feeling good leading into the biggest race of the year, the most important race of your year.
Speaker B:So it just.
Speaker B:It's crazy for me to think about it that way, just based on what we saw last year.
Speaker B:But I think, yeah, she's definitely a dark horse, but I think she's not even the most interesting dark horse, for sure.
Speaker B:You.
Speaker B:You said Paula.
Speaker B:I think Paula's gonna be on for a great one.
Speaker B:We also have Imogen Simmons, controversial figure.
Speaker A:Every time you mentioned her name, it's always followed by controversial figure.
Speaker B:I know we're not.
Speaker B:I'm not letting go of that anytime soon.
Speaker B:But she's a great.
Speaker B:She's had a good year, really strong year.
Speaker B:She's really come back and had some podium performances, so definitely someone who is a dark horse, I'd say, and has momentum on her side for sure.
Speaker A:I don't think.
Speaker A:As much as I hate to say it, I don't think this is a race for Tamara, but if things played well for her and she had a solid bike, then if she was in the within 15 minutes, then, man, Tamara can run people down, but I just don't think she's got the bike strength to keep stay in this one, unfortunately.
Speaker B:It's an interesting race.
Speaker B:The heat does a lot of things.
Speaker B:She ran incredibly well last year.
Speaker B:She's learned a lot from last year, so definitely somebody to watch, especially in the back half of the race.
Speaker B:What do you think, Jeff?
Speaker B:A few years on Chelsea Sodaro, like, she's.
Speaker B:What do we like?
Speaker B:Former champion coming back to where she won that year.
Speaker B:And you always have good memories.
Speaker B:You always race well in a place where you have good memories.
Speaker B:Last year, I think we saw her DNF pretty early in the race, and.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Do you think she's got some more magic?
Speaker B:Cone of magic?
Speaker A:No, I think with Chelsea, it's like, what have you done for me lately?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:If she does great, I'm happy for her, but she's done really nothing.
Speaker A:So I have no reason to think that she's gonna pull one out of the hat now.
Speaker A:Again, if she does fabulous.
Speaker A:But if you're asking me right now, I would say I think it's unlikely.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And we've got some other great athletes in here as well, like a Hannah Berry, who had an exceptional Kona last year.
Speaker B:I think she was fifth.
Speaker B:You have Marjolaine Pierre from France, had.
Speaker A:A great 70.3, finished the fifth, right?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And she's somebody who I think thrives in the heat, so someone who's certainly on for a good one.
Speaker A:Lisa Pedder.
Speaker A:Is she going to be here?
Speaker B:She is.
Speaker B:Although Lisa, like last year, she just came out with a barn burner year, getting the Pro series podium, getting, I think, the T100 podium as well at the end of the year.
Speaker B:And she's had some injuries and stuff come up this year, so.
Speaker B:So not coming to Kona with the same momentum, the same energy, maybe even the same fitness, but again, someone who does love the heat.
Speaker B:So I could see her if she's kind of solidly back in her training, maybe surprising herself on race day.
Speaker A:I definitely think the women's field is more intriguing here than the men's, simply because the men have, I think, a more predictable kind of top 10 favorites, and the women is very deep, and there could be surprises all the way through, and I think it's going to play out very interesting.
Speaker B:Last year was a hell of a surprise in that final whatever back half of the run there.
Speaker B:That was incredible, Jeff.
Speaker B:That race last year, I couldn't keep my eyes off the screen for, honestly, pretty much the whole race.
Speaker B:I'd never actually watched a full Ironman until that women's race last year, and I couldn't look away.
Speaker B:It was incredibly compelling.
Speaker B:And I don't know, it feels like the stage is set for another maybe hopefully not as devastating race, but exciting for sure.
Speaker A:And then that's where I come back to this whole thing about Taylor.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:The PTSD's gotta be real.
Speaker A:She's gotta be like, if I were her or her team, I hope they've had her.
Speaker A:I'm sure they have.
Speaker A:Working with a sports psychologist to prep for that, because I can imagine the doubts would start creeping in once she heads towards the Energy Lab.
Speaker A:And I don't know, could you see.
Speaker B:Her almost surprising everyone on the day, maybe holding back a little bit on the bike maybe only having, I mean I think she still would have a lead over maybe her rival, some of some rivals coming off the bike.
Speaker B:But instead of.
Speaker B:What was it last year?
Speaker B:10 Plus minutes.
Speaker A:10 Or 10 to 15 minutes and.
Speaker B:I think over the really big names and maybe it's only cut down to seven minutes this year or something and on purpose so she can really.
Speaker A:Well, I think that would be a smart.
Speaker A:I think that would be a smart strategy.
Speaker B:Do you think her run is.
Speaker B:She should have the confidence in her run to do that.
Speaker B:Do you think she should?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And when you're running it with a lead it's so much easier, right.
Speaker A:Because you can set your own pace and you can keep something in reserve so that if you hear that the lead is diminishing you can kick it into a next gear.
Speaker A:But you know what people need to get in order to get you.
Speaker A:If you're running at six minute pace and you have a seven minute lead and you know they all have to be running a significantly faster pace to catch you, it's harder for them than it is for you.
Speaker A:And then if they are catching up to you, then you just can notch it down a little bit for a few miles and suddenly that lead has stabilized or gone up a little bit.
Speaker A:Not that that I say that like it's so easy, but.
Speaker A:All right, let's talk podium.
Speaker A:All right, who do you have on the men?
Speaker A:Start with them.
Speaker B:The men.
Speaker B:I do think.
Speaker B:Here's how I think it's going to play out.
Speaker B:I think Laid Low is going to have a lead over Blumenfeld and like Gustav and that group there's going to be.
Speaker B:And I think Lalo will have another person.
Speaker B:It might be like a Jamie Riddle, it might be like maybe a Martin Van Real, maybe the couple of those guys, maybe a few people.
Speaker B:So I think he's going to have people but I do think ultimately Christian will run him down.
Speaker B:It's just, it is just so hard to bet against Blumi.
Speaker B:I just think everything is he's been doing for this Kona.
Speaker B:So I got Blumenfell for the win.
Speaker B:I think someone else from his group will get second and I think it's going to be Gustav.
Speaker B:I think we've got Gustav back on the Kona podium and then I think Laid Low's coming in for third.
Speaker B:I like his chances.
Speaker B:I like how he's really been focus on Kona this year.
Speaker B:He's been all in and sometimes you can do that and get in your own head and then like just have things Go sideways in your prep.
Speaker B:But he's a real professional.
Speaker B:He's obviously won worlds before, so that pressure is taken off him in a lot of ways, always from now on.
Speaker B:But I do think, yeah, Laid Low will be on the round out the podium.
Speaker B:I think that's Blumenfeld, Gustav and Laid Low for the podium.
Speaker A:I've got Blumenfeld and Laid Low and I. I think Ditlov could squeeze in there for third.
Speaker A:I think Eden takes fourth and I'm going to put my boy Marquardt at fifth and we'll see.
Speaker B:Who do you think from the bike crew like the Worfs, the Sam Longs, the Foley, who's going to come the best out of that group?
Speaker B:Who's going to be the best of the rest?
Speaker A:Worf has consistently done pretty well here.
Speaker A:I would say he's probably got the best chance.
Speaker B:Chance, yeah.
Speaker B:And he's been doing everything well lately.
Speaker B:I feel like he's been swimming better than usual.
Speaker B:His bike is obviously stellar and I think his run has been very consistent.
Speaker B:It's like you could see him, you can bet on him because he's kind of blue chip almost, whereas a Foley is a little more.
Speaker B:There's a little more variance in his results.
Speaker B:And in a race like Kona with the heat and everything, you kind of want a back experience a little bit.
Speaker B:So I think, yeah, Cam, were maybe the best of the biker.
Speaker B:How about that?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:On the women's side, I'm really struggling to decide because I can't decide if Taylor is going to be able to come back and overcome what happened last year.
Speaker A:And I think that Lucy is maybe better primed to have the kind of day she needs to.
Speaker A:She certainly has been very focused on it.
Speaker A:So I'm tempted to take Lucy for first, and I'm gonna go with Solvig for second and Taylor for third.
Speaker A:I have no idea if any of that is right because honestly, the women's side to me is a roll of the dice because they're all so good.
Speaker A:And Taylor could just as easily just dominate from start to finish, just like she did in Nice.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Lucy is a very good pick for the win.
Speaker B:The way you're talking about it, you convinced me.
Speaker B:But I'm not gonna pick.
Speaker B:I'm not gonna pick her because we gotta have a little difference here.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I do think Nib has it in her.
Speaker B:I think she's learned from last year.
Speaker B:I think she's been dialed in for kona.
Speaker B:She's got 17 members of her coaching staff now, like Really, I think she's really all in for this.
Speaker B:And yeah, I just.
Speaker B:I got nib for the win.
Speaker B:I really think so.
Speaker B:Second, third, Lucy, to me, yeah, she's a close second.
Speaker B:Maybe not 40 seconds close, but like a close second for sure.
Speaker B:And then I got Julie Darin for third.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Julie for me is like fourth or fifth for sure.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's interesting you pick Solvag back on the podium.
Speaker B:The way she won last year was so intriguing, obviously, because the two of the girls in front of her just had the collapse and then she was able to escape the second group that she was in because she's an under.
Speaker B:She was under the radar in a.
Speaker A:Lot of ways since then, Matt, she's like that confidence that she got from that win last year.
Speaker A:She's really established herself.
Speaker A:She's really put her foot down, I think, on a few races this year and shown that she can beat some pretty stellar fields.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'm just wondering.
Speaker B:She won't be able to get away unless she's really biking well.
Speaker B:She won't be able to.
Speaker B:Just.
Speaker B:People won't just let her off.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:You know, like they did.
Speaker B:Like they did last year.
Speaker B:I'm wondering how that kind of plays out other than the podium.
Speaker B:Who's going to shine on race day?
Speaker B:Maybe they're not going to get the podium, but you're like, oh, yeah, like you had a almost breakthrough or a really.
Speaker B:Just.
Speaker A:To me, Paula's a bit of a wild card because I find she often talks a good game, but then doesn't always execute the way you think she will.
Speaker A:So we'll see.
Speaker A:She could either be gangbusters or she could be like 15th.
Speaker A:I just don't know what to expect from her.
Speaker A:She certainly has the talent and the capability to do it, but I just never know what we're gonna get.
Speaker A:So I'll be interested to see where she go.
Speaker A:I think that Laura Philipp is one to watch and Kat Matthews, obviously.
Speaker A:I just don't know what we're going to get from either of them.
Speaker A:So it's just because.
Speaker A:Not so much because they're not amazing athletes in their own right, but just because how do they fit in with everybody else?
Speaker A:It's just so hard to predict.
Speaker A:It's just such a deep field.
Speaker B:Laura Philipp, she's an exceptional athlete.
Speaker B:I think she's similar to Elanga in terms of, like, benefiting from the 12 meter versus the 20 meter, I think.
Speaker B:I don't want to take too much away from her, but I think she is Someone who maybe with the 20 meter, suffers a little bit more.
Speaker B:But in saying that, I think she actually could be on for a really nice day.
Speaker B:She's done the Kona thing.
Speaker B:She knows how to perform there.
Speaker B:It's between her and Paula.
Speaker B:I think that's wherever they end up.
Speaker B:I think it's going to be like, oh, nice.
Speaker B:They really nailed it.
Speaker B:That's kind of how I'm feeling.
Speaker A:All right, that's what we've got for our Kona preview.
Speaker A:We are fascinated to hear what you think.
Speaker A:Do you agree with us?
Speaker A:Are we wildly off base?
Speaker A:Who are your picks?
Speaker A:We want to know.
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Speaker A:And we would love to have you join the conversation, tear us apart, tell us how wrong we are, or alternatively, let us know where you think we got things right.
Speaker A:Best of all, let us know what your thoughts are for your picks for men's and women's.
Speaker A:And let us know if we miss someone.
Speaker A:Somebody that you think is a dark horse that we didn't even mention because, like Hayden Wilde At 70.3 worlds, we completely forgot that he was gonna be there.
Speaker A:And he goes on to absolutely destroy the field.
Speaker A:Matt, I can't thank you enough for doing this.
Speaker A:It's been a lot of fun having you back and talking for two episodes on world championship previews.
Speaker A:I always appreciate your insights and your knowledge, and it's just great to interact.
Speaker A:So congratulations again to Kirsten, and we look forward to seeing how she continues to do on the circuit.
Speaker A:Good luck to you in your new endeavors, and we hope to have you back at another time in the future.
Speaker B:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker B:You may have to come back on and do a mea culpa on my podium picks.
Speaker B:And we know how my podium picks.
Speaker B:Jeff usually.
Speaker B:Sorry, one of those athletes at least is cursed.
Speaker B:So there.
Speaker B:Here we go.
Speaker B:But, yeah, great to come back and thanks for having me.
Speaker A:All right, talk to you soon, man.
Speaker B:Cheers.
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